Stepping up for the females

Pat The Fox · March 18, 2011, 07:07:33 PM

The problem with the jokes made in this thread is that they are in poor taste, more looking like an attempt to be a troll than an attempt at humor.

Humor has always required two major factors when presenting it: timing and delivery. Both the timing and the delivery here are certainly off, therefore something that might be funny in another context is not here.

When people are expressing their conern that they are being marginalized, making jokes that marginalize them is only going to deepen the wound, it is just common sense.

Also, twisting the request to be on par with an extreme is also deepening the wound.

All in all, what has occured in this thread should be an eye-opener. A simple request for civility has brought out a deep and very ugly side to our community, one I dare say needs to be addressed if we are expected to grow or even remain a community.

As an analogy, when I first inquired about any vancouver groups I was greeted with a lot of negative comments about the local communities. I was told they were immature, that it was very clique oriented and that there was a lot of hostility. For a while I have been on the fence if those comments are actually true, but seeing this happen here, I am starting to find truth in what was said.

Selkit · March 18, 2011, 07:08:41 PM

Van, every bigoted religious group, fascist political movement, and racist organization in history has said that. It's incredibly dangerous, irresponsible talk. Allow me to remind you of something here: You aren't furry, you're human. You aren't better than every human being on the planet simply owing to your own personal ideology or beliefs. You're human. Even footing. An elevating claim is dehumanizing only to the person making it, and not "dehumanizing" in the furry sense, either. Don't. It doesn't matter what direction the "Better than" is aimed in; you've completely missed the whole point of this thread. People simply want even treatment.

Van_Fox · March 18, 2011, 07:23:26 PM

So then if we're not furry, why are we here?
Its called BC Furries, not BC regular Citizens.

Sevrin · March 18, 2011, 07:29:09 PM

Quote from: Van_Fox on March 18, 2011, 07:23:26 PM
So then if we're not furry, why are we here?
Its called BC Furries, not BC regular Citizens.

i'm not even sure what to say.... try reading his post again and come up with another reply please

Van_Fox · March 18, 2011, 07:36:49 PM

No i wont. Because you guys obviously wanna keep going on this. Im just gonna stop. I came in to state my opinion then got bashed for it. Pretty hypocritical. Bai now.

Sevrin · March 18, 2011, 07:39:43 PM

you entirely misunderstood his point, i'm serious, you need to read it again.

Foxxphyre · March 18, 2011, 08:25:27 PM

Quote from: Selkit on March 18, 2011, 07:08:41 PM
Van, every bigoted religious group, fascist political movement, and racist organization in history has said that. It's incredibly dangerous, irresponsible talk. Allow me to remind you of something here: You aren't furry, you're human. You aren't better than every human being on the planet simply owing to your own personal ideology or beliefs. You're human. Even footing. An elevating claim is dehumanizing only to the person making it, and not "dehumanizing" in the furry sense, either. Don't. It doesn't matter what direction the "Better than" is aimed in; you've completely missed the whole point of this thread. People simply want even treatment.

We deal with this all the time in Otherkin land too... Even though many of us believe we have a non human soul, that doesn't make us any less human physically, nor better than anyone else. Same thing applies to gender. No one and nothing is inherently 'better' than anything or anyone else. It is our words and actions that ultimately determine our worth.

Sevrin · March 18, 2011, 08:30:05 PM

fox, you are a sexy beast

Selkit · March 18, 2011, 08:34:36 PM

It's very reassuring to see at least a few of you understanding what I had intended. Thank you, Fox and Sevrin. The moment social stratification is hinted at is the first step on a path to segregation, bigotry, and ignorance.

Sevrin · March 18, 2011, 08:44:21 PM

oh stop it *blushes* here i was all afraid i said something stupid because i'm totally in troll mode right now, its what i get for spending the last several hours reading that FSTDT top 100 list

Xen Garden · March 18, 2011, 10:09:46 PM

Furries are no better than everyone else. Just because you're a furry doesn't mean you're not human. You're just as human as everyone else.

Ember · March 22, 2011, 08:53:11 PM

For people who are retarded, and for people who post in a thread like this without first reading the rest of the posts:

Go back and read my post again. Then read the first post of this topic.

My post is a parody of the first post. You are not smart.

I am obviously not saying that rape is ok.

Dumb people are a much larger problem on this forum than mean people. This is a fact.

For the lazy:
(Sorry for long post)

Quote from: Wrath on March 15, 2011, 10:01:03 PM
I know this has been brought up in a previous topic, but I think that it's time we actually get into a bigger deeper discussion about this and have something resolved about this problem. I have noticed the HUGE amount of sexism on these forums. It seems that everywhere I look on here, all I ever see anymore is the gay furs calling the girls gross because they have tits and a vagina.

STOP IT!

I can't stand it anymore. I feel so unwelcome on these forums and in the general fandom just because some immature gay guys won't GROW UP. Last time I checked, gay guys weren't test tube babies, they came out of their mothers vaginas just like EVERYONE ELSE. I don't think that's very gross. It's called LIFE. And the last time I checked, a girl's vagina is the only self cleaning organ in the human body. Not even a penis can clean itself, so GET SCRUBBING.

And yeah I AM A GIRL, but I HATE it when I am identified as icky, or a vagina instead of a person and judged because of things I was born with and are natural. I am a human being, just like anyone else on here is. Nobody likes it when people use "Gay" to describe something stupid. And I think the forums have done a good enough job not using that word for that reason. I am not trying to start drama, I am just trying to find a solution to stop this ongoing problem. My BANNED! thread is already starting to turn into an "Eww girls are gross" thread, and I don't find that welcome. It's not like I tell people HEY I HAVE A VAGINA, BE GROSSED OUT ABOUT IT! Nobody brings up the topic about their cock and have the girls on here go "Eww PENIS!". Even the gay female furs don't do that on here. I am pretty sure we are all adults, not elementary school students who believe in cooties.

Last time I checked, none of the female furs are trying to force themselves onto any of the gay male furs. I would prefer it if you kept your sexist comments to yourself and just let any of the female furs hitting on you know that you are not into girls. And keep it at that.

Also I don't CARE what kind of bashing and flaming and hate I'll get out of this thread. I am doing the right thing by standing up for what I think is right. EQUAL RIGHTS plzkthx. So go ahead and send me messages and comments if you don't like what I have to say. I'm just going to laugh my ass off as I read them.

Quote from: Ember on March 17, 2011, 07:12:15 PM
I know this has been brought up in a previous topic, but I think that it's time we actually get into a bigger deeper discussion about this and have something resolved about this problem. I have noticed the HUGE amount of anti-rapism on these forums. It seems that everywhere I look on here, all I ever see anymore is the non-raping furs calling the rapists gross because they have rape and a lack of consent.

STOP IT!

I can't stand it anymore. I feel so unwelcome on these forums and in the general fandom just because some immature unraping guys won't GROW UP.

And yeah I AM A WHITE VANNER, but I HATE it when I am identified as icky, or a rape-monger instead of a person and judged because of things I choose to do. I am a human being, just like anyone else on here is. Nobody likes it when people use "rapist" to describe something stupid. And I think the forums have done a good enough job not using that word for that reason. I am not trying to start drama, I am just trying to find a solution to stop this ongoing problem.

Also I don't CARE what kind of bashing and flaming and hate I'll get out of this thread. I am doing the right thing by standing up for what I think is right. EQUAL RIGHTS plzkthx. So go ahead and send me messages and comments if you don't like what I have to say.

zenia · March 22, 2011, 09:11:12 PM

It was obvious that you were parodying the OP. It still wasn't funny. It was a dick move. :C

Dinsu · March 22, 2011, 09:23:22 PM

I think that's why the previous conversations were about how rape jokes can be really inappropriate.. Like yours was. Unfortunately. ):

Ember · March 22, 2011, 09:24:48 PM

Considering several people took it that I was being serious, I would say that it wasn't obvious to everyone.

Now I'll tell you what a dick move is: Bringing up the topic of rape in a thread that has absolutely nothing to do with it in an attempt to hamfist emotions where they don't belong.

Oh yeah one last thing.

I hope you realize the irony of using the word "dick move" to represent something bad, in a thread where you are against using sexual parts as having negative connotation.