Bad games you thought werent so bad at all

[Alloud]

Castlevania II Simon's Quest...
Why do so many people hate that game, its actually good, just not as good as I or III. And if you say the final boss is too easy because you can use holly water, then just use the dang cross or axe instead.
Yeah, why do people dislike the second games in so many of the classic NES franchises?
Castlevania II,
Super Mario Bros 2, [Doki Doki Panic in japan]
Metroid 2,
Zelda 2 the adventure of Link,
Super Contra / Super C,

"just not as good as I or III."
That's why the 2nd game in those series are generally disliked. All solid games on their own, but compared to their predecessors they're weaker games, and sort of sour the good taste of the first game.

Some other examples would be Metal Gear Solid 2, Devil May Cry 2 and Super Mario Sunshine... All of which I still loved, but looked down upon by a lot of fans. I guess some gamers can get too nit-picky.

[Hadlock]

Grandia for the ps1 was ridiculed for its  voice acting, and cartoony graphics, and also its "childish and predicable" plot.

my experience with Grandia was non other then overwhelming, i had such an emotional attachment to characters. I  cried when a character had to leave (not gonna say why, plot related), the only time I've ever cried during a video game.. couldn't pick up the game for about another year.

[Lt ReiStark]

"just not as good as I or III."
That's why the 2nd game in those series are generally disliked. All solid games on their own, but compared to their predecessors they're weaker games, and sort of sour the good taste of the first game.

Some other examples would be Metal Gear Solid 2, Devil May Cry 2 and Super Mario Sunshine... All of which I still loved, but looked down upon by a lot of fans. I guess some gamers can get too nit-picky.

I know, Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons Of Liberty is one of my favorite games. I've never played MGS4 so for now 2 is my second favorite behind Snake Eater in first because of these three quotes
MINOR SPOILERS!
"I'm sure you can see that. But the Earth itself has no boundaries. No East, No West, No Cold War. And the irony of it is, the United States and the Soviet Union are spending billions on their space programs and the missile race only to arrive at the same conclusion. In the 21st century everyone will be able to see that we are all just inhabitants of a little celestial body called Earth. A world without communism and capitalism... that is the world I wanted to see. But reality continued to betray me"

"the world will never know what she did. Future generations will revile her; in America as a dispicable traitor with no sense of honor, and the Soviet Union as a monster who unleashed a nuclear catastrophe. She will go down in official history as a war criminal. "

‎"But I think she wanted you of all people to know the truth. She wanted to live on in your memory, not as a solider, but as a woman. But she was forbidden to tell you herself. And that's why she told me. Snake, history will ever know what she did. No one will ever learn the truth. Her story... her debriefing, will endure only in your heart. Everything she did, she did for her country. She sacrificed her life and honor for her native land. She was a real hero. She was a true patriot. "

End of spoilers!

I loved DMC2 because you could play as Trish, and Mario Sunshine is my favorite Mario game because of the water mechanics and creative levels and art style.

People have an expectation for a sequel to be exactly like the fist but improved,That's not how it works out when making one though. Only a few games really are up the that unreasonable standard like Halo 2 or Super Mario Galaxy 2

[cuelix]

The power stone gaaaaaames!!

Did anyone else play cannon spike?

The bouncer!!  When ps2 first came out

Ummm

Omg joe and Mac caveman ninja for the snes!!!

Umm did I mention battle arena toshinden in my last post?

[Tef]

Streets of SimCity. Despite its insane quantity of bugs and glitches, the game's "radio" music and audio files are among the best of its time. And who doesn't want to level their own cities and enemy cars with a car-mounted rocket launcher?   :evil:

[Kirkus]

Yeah I'm on the same board as a few of these folks with the recent Final Fantasy XIII series coming out. I got platinum in both of those games because I actually enjoyed them quite a bit. It's not to say neither were perfect by any means; XIII was linear to a fault regardless of what fanboys say, but the moment you stumbled into this overpowered Gran Pulse full of 60 hours of side content with interesting characters, that more than made up for it to me. In XIII-2, the story was full (STUFFED) of loopholes, but had a totally badass antagonist and the gameplay was the shit. A recent DLC confirmed that there will be a XIII-3, and if they can take a story arc like XIII and the gameplay of XIII-2, then I'm pretty confident it'll be an awesome game.

As for me, there's a couple games for the PS2 that got bland ratings and yet I couldn't possibly get away from. One was called Extermination, a japanese-port shooter that had some of the funniest/ worst examples of voice acting, but I thought the gameplay and weapons were great; you started out with this regular M16 carbine, but by the end of the game it was beefed with these awesome mods. I must've gotten through the game 3 times when I was a kid and enjoyed every moment of it.

Check out the wicked voice acting!

[Tonk]

Dark Messiah: Might and Magic

Didn't know that was considered a bad game. But i had a huge amount of fun with it back when it came out.

Also farcry 2. Despite all the things it's lacking and the fact i've never been able to finish it due to the monotony it's still an awesome game. It just could have been SO much better.

[kohl]

Duke Nukem Forever is so bad. You want to know why it was bad? It forced you to choose your path. What happened to the exploration and being able to interact with the environment? Then you got to do platform jumping puzzles to advance in the level. The dialog seems really forced to try and get references and  humor into the game. Mandatory mini games? What the? C'mon, quit padding an action game with this drivel. Duke Nukem Forever might as well have been called Call of Duty: Alien Invasion.
What else did you like about the game?

Messiah was an amazing game. You played as an angel that could take over and control other creatures, rats, humans, aliens. The game got a lot of hate for it because it didn't tell you how to pass through a door or who had the right clearance to by bass a security system. As an angel you could be seen, if you were trying to be sneaky you had to make your jumps very discreetly, if someone saw you, take them out quickly and quietly. You had to make your identities very choosy and try not to get important people killed. You may jump into a scientist, do some stuff, get that scientist killed, save, then learn that an hour later that you needed that scientist to get through security. Most of the game is really down tempo, by watching creatures actions, studying the environment, some platform puzzles. When you do get in a fire fight though, the game gets really intense. This is the future, most guns will take you out in one or two hits. You gotta learn to jump into an enemy, take a couple shots at his allies, hop out, jump, hope his allies kill him, with a fresh new body, wreak havoc.

[Morrogh TDO]

I've read on, and heard people bashing on Twisted Metal 3&4, particularly 4. In all honesty I didn't think either was really that bad. Once you figure your way around the bugs in 4, it was an ok game to me.

[Silvermink]

Hate to say it but half of your comment is invalid. Instead of saying what is invalid and starting a argument. Did you even play the game from beginning to end? did you even play a few hours of Duke Nukem 3D? when you have, come back and leave a unbiased response please. Because I am sure real gamers can spot the BS tied to the game that the "current gen gaming community" and spot the actually bad parts.

For me, playing it would require shelling out money for it and actually putting time into it, both of which I personally am not that willing to do given the general feedback on it; even if the game were any good, the stuff I've heard about the story has turned me off.

If it's actually a good game, as you contend, what sort of conspiracy do you suppose would lead so many gamers and so many publications to say otherwise? Just because you like it doesn't mean the opinions of others are suddenly "BS".

For the record, I played through Duke Nukem 3D and enjoyed it, and plenty of people who also did so were not at all positive about Forever.

[Silvermink]

Well, I've been playing games since about 1985, so I guess you could say I've played some older games. :)

-People make invalid arguments off stuff they never even touched. I played Duke Nukem 3D and forever and got psychical copies for both. And so when someone says forever is crude. And says 3D isn't I just want to slap them :/ They say references in Forever are lame one liners pulled from today's culture. Hey surprise. Back then they pulled lines from culture back then. I could go on. BUT THE ONLY VALID ARGUMENT I have seen that people can go on and complain about is exploration of environments was removed altogether from some areas or limited in others. So when I hear and read what other people are complaining about something with the game. I just wonder if they are trolling me or being serious. Because if they are being serious they should take a history trip and realize how wrong they are. I try to do it myself every so often and as much as I hate to say it. Some games I loved as a kid are godawful to play now.

Personally I think if you don't enjoy some part of a game, that's a perfectly valid point to make. Maybe the game is supposed to be like that or it's like that for some historical reason or whatever but... who cares, really? If it's not fun for you, it's not fun for you.

Also, most game critics (Yahtzee aside) aren't paid to trash games as such. They're paid to play games and report back on whether they're fun or not. Sure, they point out flaws, but they point out good things too.

I guess the bottom line is I think it's a bit of a waste of energy to get annoyed just because people don't like the same things you do. I'm sure there's somebody out there who thinks you're a total Philistine for one reason or another too, but your job isn't to make them happy.

[Lt ReiStark]

Playstation Allstars was pretty good for what I played.

As an antithesis to the subject, games people love that I personaly think aren't as good as they say:
Ocarina Of Time because it was unrefined as the 3d adventure genre was a baby, so room were either flat as paper, or overused perspective and got frustrating like the water temple.

Final Fantasy 7 because the plot isn't that good and the animation is bad, [Spoiler] Cloud drowned Arith (Look it up, dead bodies don't sink) and I can't find it anywhere inside of me to even slightly like him, he feels about as human as a cube.

World Of Warcraft because I don't enjoy getting 27 wolfbear skins with a 10% drop rate for a pair of freaking boots, thats 90% of the game, you have to be high level to do most of the stuff I want to.

Goldeneye 007 because bad controls and graphics that make my eyes bleed, brought FPS to the console well, but that doesn't fix the bleeding grey dark graphics that leave me unable to see anything, as well as the terrible stiff aiming.

Skyrim because it had so many game or quest breaking glitches, more than Oblivion does by far, I had to restart my Skyrim character at least five times because of fatal glitches, never happened to me in Oblivion.

Thats all my opinion, Feel free to have your own one, I won't argue it, just play whatever game makes you happy.

[cielo]

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