BC Furries Skype Chat: A Discussion on Rules.

[Kyroo]

Lament you're trying to play politics, you are REALLY bad at it, and its disgusting.

First and foremost, quit implying that people who are against your arguments aren't reading your answers...They are, your answers clearly are not satisfying everyone how you want them to though. That is just a sad little attempt to quietly push people into believing those who are not behind you are ignorant and intentionally remaining blind to the issues, clearly not the case.

Secondly, don't try to suck and blow at the same time: Trying to be good guy Greg and make everyone happy, while simultaneously slinging accusations that I [or others] "...seem to still be sour of the original incident" or when you say "...since Kyroo seems to have an issue with any name I suggest" which, if YOU had actually read my text really had nothing to do with my point.

Your problem appears to be that you're either not reading my text for its intended purpose, or you are cherry picking my entries apart to use as ammunition like some kind of religious zealot trying to quote me Leviticus.

Counter proposal: bcfurries skype room remains in its current state, and we create a room called "can't handle the heat muffin?"

It doesn't sound nice when the roles are reversed does it? Nobody wants to be the "other room". And thats the wall youre running in to.

This first sentence is called satire. We as the human race use it to point out humorous and sometimes ridiculous idiosyncrasies. IF you actually believed the original intent of that sentence was to be taken as literal...you have larger issues to concern yourself with than the name of the chat room...So I give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest you're cherry picking from it.
Second sentence is where we cast aside all doubt as to the purpose of the comment/suggestion and it is quite evident that I'm starting to spin the satire into a more constructive point. Note that the only attack is made via the actual name of the room I proposed. This is done by design. I'm trying to show you what it looks like from the other person's shoes. The purpose of the paragraph is to suggest why you are going to run into problems if you continue to do nothing beyond write down some rules and invite people to an alternative channel.

We are all very well aware that your NEW plan is to do this, the reason it keeps getting fired back at you is because you did NOT take these steps earlier and continued (until now) to act as though it was this way all along. This is what we call "Bullshit" and I'm sorry, but you did get called on it. This is now a dead point, I won't revisit this on you again since it is now solved.

Finally, to Nibi whoever you are, you weren't even around for this (nor have you even got an account on the channel in skype. At very least with your forum name) but you seem to have lots to say on the matter: Because some person decides to take it upon themselves to be the moderator of a self appointed position on a random chat channel that caters to the crowd of a site they have no connection to beyond membership does not give them carte blanche to impose rules at random on people who use the channel.

If I have a peanut allergy it isn't my right to go into Tim Horton's and demand they shut down all peanut operations so I can safely enjoy my coffee. It's my responsibility to find a safe place to enjoy my coffee, or avoid the damned nut. The rest of the world is not going to cease and desist their conversations because you find them inappropriate, pick your crap up, and move it to somewhere you don't have to listen to it.

*edits made cleared up some grammatical errors and a few clarifications on who I was addressing*

[Alloud]

"hey.. I don't like these people/ what they are saying, I am just keeping clear of that because that's not my thing."

The two-chat system helps with this. Rather than having those that are uncomfortable with a given discussion just leave all-together, they have another spot they can go to and chat about something else. By having a single chat with a "viewer discretion" where people are encouraged to just leave when they feel uncomfortable, it becomes less inclusive and that doesn't seem all that fair.

The rest of the world is not going to cease and desist their conversations because you find them inappropriate, pick your crap up, and  move it to somewhere you don't have to listen to it.

Which is why a two chat system is proposed.

[dreki]

We're talking about a non-official chat group here. The entire incident has been blown waaay out of proportion.

Lay out some ground rules and then people will stop complaining because then there is clear guidelines and if they don't follow the rules that's their own problem. Much less painful that way. I personally thought it was very straight forward the way it was: we want to include everyone and their interests, so if you like chatting about NSFW and whatnot then keep it to the 18+ chat, because sorry to say not everyone wants to hear what toys you just got on BD or what you did with your mate the other night. It's pretty straightforward, and you know, it's nice to be respectful of others' space too. Not everyone in the fandom is here for the 18+ material.

The split between the two chats, in my experience, has never been a problem. I've had issues with individuals trying to get "frisky" with me in rp before when I've clearly stated that I did not want to, but other then that the groups have been fine. I really don't see what the issue is other then a lack of clarity to the structure.

Lament: don't just sit there on your paws and whistle while trying to figure it out. You'll just make the problem even worse. Any decision made is bound to not satisfy everyone, but it's a private space and in the end it's your say. Others are entirely capable of making their own private spaces to do whatever they want in if they don't like the structure. The chat seemed to be working fine for the majority of us.

[Kyroo]

Problem solved, I've got a new chat room called "BC Paws & Claws" so it has no affiliation with BC Furries as I have no permission from the admins to use their name.

The room will be open concept no moderation of chat beyond whatever the current people in the room bitch at you for  :P

If you want an invite, just look for BC Paws & Claws, or message me on skype "kyroo_roo". As people join I will add administrator rights so anyone can invite anyone.

Details to follow later today in a separate thread.

[JazzyLament]

*facepaws*

So basically you made a room where everyone is free to talk about whatever they like.

Which is exactly what I was doing.

*sigh*

By the way, you don't need to give 'admin rights', everyone can invite anyone by default, that was how it was like in the original chat. Pretty sure I mentioned that in the sign up page.

I'm taking Drekian's advice, check general boards for rules and sign up.

[J.R.Bear]

*facepaws*

So basically you made a room where everyone is free to talk about whatever they like.

Which is exactly what I was doing.

*sigh*

By the way, you don't need to give 'admin rights', everyone can invite anyone by default, that was how it was like in the original chat. Pretty sure I mentioned that in the sign up page.

I'm taking Drekian's advice, check general boards for rules and sign up.

The difference is in the way he handled it. Kyroo made a room that people want to be in rather then one that they were shoved into by someone who never had any right to in the first place.

[Mikomi]

I'm with kyroo on this. I think its more the fact that we would rather have control of the chat. So we know the rules won't be added out of knowhwere and everyone can feel free and welcome.

As much as I like lament I'm going with kyroo on this, if you would rather not join that's cool.

[JazzyLament]

I didn't shove people in that room hey were created at the same time even I use the 18+ chat more than the normal one >.<

Seriously, I'm running out of ways to say this. I already signed up for Kyroo's since it's pointless to argue, for me it doesn't make a difference who runs it.

This isn't a presidential election it's a chat room that I'm trying to provide you don't have to like it or not. If he wants to make another room that's fine by me, I'll join.

Specially if Mikomi is there :3

I don't see the point in it but hey wherever my friends are that's where I'll go.

updated BC Furs Lounge/Back Room here: http://www.bcfurries.com/forum/index.php?topic=5809.msg81503#msg81503