Minecraft Server? - SMP vs. Tekkit vs. Classic

[Kithop]

Edit: Putting connection details up here!

All servers are whitelisted, meaning you need to reply or PM me your Minecraft username so I can let you in!

'Stock' SMP: kithop.ca
Tekkit: kithop.ca:25567

'Classic' (the free in-browser creative-only version) has seemingly been abandoned by Mojang, and no one was logging on, so it's now been decommissioned; sorry!

Original post below:

Hi guys,

I'm currently running an instance of Minecraft Classic for everyone that Uniton has linked to under 'Chat' here on the forums - it's the old-school, freeform creation mode with no monsters, etc., that runs in a web plugin on the Minecraft website.  It's also free, once you've registered a nickname and logged in to said website.

That said, it's not what I think most people think of when they think of a Minecraft server, and I do play the 'proper' full version of the game from time to time.  The catch is, of course, is that this version is the one that made Mojang lots and lots of money - i.e., it's not free. :)  I don't forsee the Classic one going away in the near future, just because we can't expect everyone to buy a copy of the game, but I do know quite a lot of you have already taken the plunge.

I don't have a ton of upload bandwidth at home, and though the rack server I have is extremely powerful for this (16 core Opteron, 32GB RAM, running a RAID1 of 2 new SSDs for apps), realistically I'm limited by power outages, internet outages, and the odd reboot for updates and that sort of thing.  This isn't a VPS or something hosted in a proper datacentre by any stretch.  Those issues notwithstanding, I've been running a private Tekkit server for a little while now, and am thinking of either opening it up a bit, or spawning a new instance for furs to play on.

Poll therefore is:

1. Classic - Don't bother with another Minecraft server; I'm only going to play the free browser version that's already set up, and it's good enough
2. Survival Multiplayer - 'Stock' Minecraft - if you bought Minecraft, this is the latest standard version you get straight from Mojang (currently 1.3.1 at time of writing, I believe), with monsters, creepers, crafting, etc.
3. Tekkit (http://www.technicpack.net/tekkit/) - This is a very popular multiplayer version of the 'Technic' pack, a set of mods that have been made interrelated including things like pipes, automated quarries, engines, item transmutation, epic weapons and armour, etc.  It builds on the stock Survival Multiplayer mode with a ton of new stuff, but is also a bit harder on your computer to play, a touch more buggy, and you'd have to download and run their launcher client to automatically pull in the mod files.  ** This is my personal favourite right now **

If you haven't heard of Tekkit, you can check out some of the Yogscast guys on YouTube, who have been playing it for a few months now and posting up some funny videos of their progress (warning: foul language :p) :

Xephos & Honeydew: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL310728C6AAFF44B1&feature=plcp

Sips & Sjin: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLE7A681307D4F077D&feature=plcp

Duncan: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF31FF54CE3BCA21F&feature=plcp

Again, I don't plan on turning off the Classic server, but if you guys are interested in me running a 'full' server, I'd like to know how many of you would like to play Tekkit instead.  I *could* run all 3 instances, but I also would like this to be a community thing where everyone is welcome. :)

[Ziamara]

I vote Tekkit, just because we already have a thing going on it! xD
And the original minecraft as well..

Tekkit is more fun though :3!

There could be wars and stuff... Omgish. Want. Nuclear Explosions!
: D

[Aster]

I am going to hold off voting until I try out this Tekkit business...

(However, I'm just going to point out that you wouldn't necessarily have to scare off anyone who hasn't bought the full game if you ran a typical Minecraft server in offline mode. Though, you would need Bukkit and a handfull of security plugins...)

[Zen]

Tekkit is neat if you have spare time ... but it makes my head explode. I would prefer a SMP server but I think more people would enjoy a Tekkit server so long as there was a decent help file on how to get started.

Also, how much moderation would there be and anti-griefing safeguards? We KNOW this server would be an easy target.

[Jaspergoesrawr]

I vote survival server. More things to do than classic, but not too complicated like tekkit.

[Xen Garden]

I like to play legit, so Survival Multiplayer. I don't care for mods. Although, I would play on the classic server.

Edit: Okay so I was playing on the classic server, and it's making me so angry that whenever I want to place a block down, the menu comes up. Is there any way to stop this? Because this never used to happen way back when... and I'm trying to build a sundial...

[Kithop]

Tekkit is neat if you have spare time ... but it makes my head explode. I would prefer a SMP server but I think more people would enjoy a Tekkit server so long as there was a decent help file on how to get started.

Also, how much moderation would there be and anti-griefing safeguards? We KNOW this server would be an easy target.

The nice thing about running Tekkit is that it's an add-on; doesn't take anything away from regular Minecraft if that's how you want to play, but the downside of course is that you do need to run the modded launcher for it to mesh up with the server properly and connect (plus, you'd need to have the texture files for all the new blocks and such which come part of the mod).

First off, this server is, and will always be, a whitelist server.  An Op has to add your Minecraft username to the whitelist before you can log in.

Second, I run daily backups of all the world files, but that's easy to increase in frequency if there's a need.

Third, server is a Bukkit server, so all sorts of admin plugin goodness can be added as we see fit - the only one I'm leaning on right now is WorldGuard to stop people from running forever in one direction to try and grief the server by exhausting RAM and drive space (though that would be very hard to do. :) ).

At the time I looked at this last night, I saw things were leaning towards people wanting to try Tekkit, so that's what I set up at first, but there's nothing stopping me from spawning a standard SMP server on a separate port and letting people try both.

If you want, you can see the DynMap generated world map for the 'current'/new Tekkit instance here: http://kithop.ca:8123/  I hear there's a bit of a bug with the nether in the current stock build that they're working on, but I'll start setting up and generating a worldfile for that, too, and look into opening up another port or shuffling things around.  Tekkit's taking the default port (25565) right now, but I'll probably shove it up past the Creative server to 25567 (and bump Dynmap up a number, too) to make room for 'stock' server on the 'stock' port. :P

Reply here or DM me for now with your Minecraft nick and I'll add you to the whitelist once it's set up.

[Kithop]

Thinking of throwing this in the mix if we have an issue with griefing:

http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/grief-prevention/

Players have to claim plots of land, then it automatically protects their stuff from others, etc.  Might be overkill with whitelisting unless we get lots of people.

[Nirokia]

The Tekkit server sounds fun but I don't know if my frankencomputer could handle it.  I tend to play survival most of the time but it can be really hard to find a decent Furry server out there so I'm willing to try this Tekkit thing and see if it can run for me.  Hopefully it works.  If it's not something that will function well on my computer, hopefully the option to have a seperate SMP server will still be available.  :)

[Kithop]

Okay - I've done the port swap and it's almost done rendering the empty maps. :)

Again, these servers are both whitelisted so you need to let me know your Minecraft name and I'll add you in.

SMP 1.3.1:
Server: kithop.ca

(stock port 25565)
Dynamic Map: http://kithop.ca:8123
Plugins: WorldBorder, SimpleSpawn, GriefPrevention, DynMap

Tekkit 1.3.2 (MC 1.2.5):
Server: kithop.ca:25567
Dynamic Map: http://kithop.ca:8124
Plugins: WorldBorder, SimpleSpawn, DynMap, Tekkit

Classic, of course, is in the web link up top as there's no standalone client you can use that I'm aware of, unfortunately.

I figure most of you are going to jump on the 'stock' Survival Multiplayer server - I strongly suggest you familiarize yourself with the basics of the Grief Prevention plugin so you understand what happens when you place your first Chest, and why you may not be able to mine other people's blocks, etc.
Both servers have the default spawn protection on, too, so you shouldn't be able to mine or modify anything for a certain radius around the spawn point.

I've set the WorldBorders to a 1000 block radius in the overworld (8000 to match in the Nether because of the 8:1 distance ratio, and 150 in The End because, well, it's a floating island and that's as big as it appears to have generated) - if you try to walk past those borders, you'll get pushed back inside them and it will tell you.
If we actually start to grow and need more space, it's easy for me to increase the limit as needed and generate more world. :) Use the DynMap page to your advantage, though, so you can look for prime available real estate.

Nirokia, I've assumed your MC Name is the same as your nick here, so I've already added you to the SMP whitelist.

In both servers, your admins are Ziamara and myself.
Let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks! ^.^

[NikkiD]

could you add me? ID NIkkiDameon

[Kithop]

could you add me? ID NIkkiDameon

Done, on both servers. :)

[H u nn Y]

Add me and Felix for both. :3

My username: ITACHIUCHIHA9000

Felix's username: RagedRapier

Thinking of throwing this in the mix if we have an issue with griefing:

http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/grief-prevention/

Players have to claim plots of land, then it automatically protects their stuff from others, etc.  Might be overkill with whitelisting unless we get lots of people.

Also isn't that like towny?? Where people can create towns and the more people they have in their town the more plots they can claim? and it also prevents griefing in the whole town. o:

[Kithop]

Add me and Felix for both. :3

My username: ITACHIUCHIHA9000

Felix's username: RagedRapier

Also isn't that like towny?? Where people can create towns and the more people they have in their town the more plots they can claim? and it also prevents griefing in the whole town. o:

Done, and sort of - it's done by how long you play, but you can create towns and subdivide them, then assign permissions on the subdivisions to people too. :)

[Aster]

Rawr, I wouldn't mind being added to both these servers.
I poked at Tekkit the other day and was all o.=.o"  but I might try it again.

Minecraft username is Xenrin  :3