Baby/cub furs and Pup-Play Furs. the same?

[Roffo]

I thought furries are supposed to be accepting of one another.

True enough. I don't think it has to do with the non-social acceptance that happens in the fur community. I accept babyfurs I just don't part take in the activities because it doesn't interest me.
And yes, it is out of the norm, but us furs still accept such personalities, behavior and interest. Who said being abnormal was a bad thing?
*woof*.

[Gizmo]

I'm basically summarizing the last few posts together here, but there are a two things that people are forgetting.

1. Not all babyfurs have sex.

2. We're talking about roleplay between consenting adults, not actual children or pets.

I'm also the father of three, and I have no issue with age play, baby furs or pet play. As stated before, these are all roleplay between consenting adults, so in that way they should be treated the same. (And yes, that contradicts my first post a bit.) However, the question originally was, are the two types of roleplay the same, and my answer is still no to that.

The attitude -- a widely held and incorrect attitude -- that "baby fur is bad because it is about children, but pet play is fine because it is pretend", needs to be changed. I highly encourage people to stop superficially jumping all over this thread just because "baby fur" was mentioned, and try to be more accepting of the fetishes and personal pleasures of all consenting adults. After all, jumping all over a consenting adult for misinformation is the same reason people hate furries without really understanding them.

I totally agree! Just because I am not into ... say, playing poker - is no reason to no accept me into the furry community. I know of no activities that involve children - and if I did, I am sure theses people would have to answer to others - not me.
If I am not mistaken, RainFurrest even had a workshop of 'Baby furs' and such ... How's that for acceptance?
If you are not accepting of others and what they are 'into', then give your head a shake. We are ALL into stuff that one person or another is not 'into' ... doesn't make any of us less or more than what we are. Acceptance and understanding are the keys!

[mediar]

I totally agree! Just because I am not into ... say, playing poker - is no reason to no accept me into the furry community. I know of no activities that involve children - and if I did, I am sure theses people would have to answer to others - not me.
If I am not mistaken, RainFurrest even had a workshop of 'Baby furs' and such ... How's that for acceptance?
If you are not accepting of others and what they are 'into', then give your head a shake. We are ALL into stuff that one person or another is not 'into' ... doesn't make any of us less or more than what we are. Acceptance and understanding are the keys!

RF did have a few panels on the subject! Even had a few publically annouced room parties.

[Vanilla Skunk]

I bet there is at least one babyfur on staff of every furry convention.  I know there are a few of them on staff at RF :P

[Tef]

I have to say, I do lean a bit more towards what Murphy has stated. Nevertheless, I do have a good level of tolerance, knowing that it's okay to have fetishes so long as no ad hominem or coercive flamethrowers are flared.

[Peli]

Not much I can add on to what Murphy said, which I think summed up most of my feelings on the matter more eloquently than I could have managed. xD While not trying to be deliberately incensing, I don't subscribe to the idea that furries (or anyone really, but furries seem to take this idea to the extreme sometimes) need to be universally accepting of things that they find distasteful or that make them uncomfortable.

[MurphyErasmus]

I don't care what happens in a non-sexual setting. In that case, babyfurs - okay, a little odd, but nothing wrong with that. It's when it's sexualized that it gives me the creeping horrors.

Seeing sexual cub art, or people being intimate with cubbyfurs ... that's really, really fucking scary for me. I have too many friends who were molested as children. Children are NOT sexual in any way, shape or form, and never SHOULD be.

I guess I wasn't clear on that, because I really don't care about the cubfur lifestyle as long as it's harmless, innocent, and clean. Hell, I've drawn my own fursona as a cub before, just 'cause it's cute as fuck. I just cannot handle the idea of children, toddlers, or infants being attractive, because that is starting to lean towards pedophilia.

[Tef]

Seeing sexual cub art, or people being intimate with cubbyfurs ... that's really, really fucking scary for me. I have too many friends who were molested as children. Children are NOT sexual in any way, shape or form, and never SHOULD be.

I guess I wasn't clear on that, because I really don't care about the cubfur lifestyle as long as it's harmless, innocent, and clean. Hell, I've drawn my own fursona as a cub before, just 'cause it's cute as fuck. I just cannot handle the idea of children, toddlers, or infants being attractive, because that is starting to lean towards pedophilia.

Ay, as I'd like to put it, even fetishes have standards. Once it goes past that limit, it's just....no.

[H u nn Y]

Ay, as I'd like to put it, even fetishes have standards. Once it goes past that limit, it's just....no.

Be as it may, having standards and whatnot, that doesn't really matter, TONS of fetishes go over the extreme. There's a lot of people out there that don't care what other people have to say about it. But it's what the people like, we can't change that, only they can..

[Ember]

I don't subscribe to the idea that furries need to be universally accepting of things that they find distasteful or that make them uncomfortable.

This is a correct view and one that more furries need to get on board with.

[Ember]

The reason that our fandom so often has conversations revolving around opinion and viewpoints on topics is that there is a lack of personal intellectual responsibility.

People are both unwilling to make up their own mind about topics, as well as unwilling to stand behind their views in any sort of meaningful way.


Instead, the fandom tries to form a hivemind with a general consensus about what the correct view/answer is for each topic. People found not adhering to this view are seen as causing drama or as just plain being incorrect.

[zenia]

I don't subscribe to the idea that furries need to be universally accepting of things that they find distasteful or that make them uncomfortable.

This is a correct view and one that more furries need to get on board with.

I am in complete agreement.

[Roffo]

The reason that our fandom so often has conversations revolving around opinion and viewpoints on topics is that there is a lack of personal intellectual responsibility.

Huh. Seriously.

People are both unwilling to make up their own mind about topics, as well as unwilling to stand behind their views in any sort of meaningful way.

Instead, the fandom tries to form a hivemind with a general consensus about what the correct view/answer is for each topic. People found not adhering to this view are seen as causing drama or as just plain being incorrect.

Drama? Nahhhhh; we're just talking about a topic that isn't casually discussed. A few furs here already don't like the idea of babyfurs; and a few others don't mind the idea of 'babyfurs'.
As for the unified acceptance of the fandom - wait, last time I checked, the fandom is full of diverse individuals. It is only common knowledge that the majority of furries are going to be accepting of others personal interests.
I never signed an agreement that forced me to be accepting of everyone for who they are. The majority of us are just that sort of people; accepting individuals, hence the furry culture;  that weird culture that no one of the norm understands.

If anything, I don't question how the majority of furs within this fandom behave. I've met and talked to many people who have different opinions of topics such as these. I usually hear of a lot of acceptance in the community, if thats not true than I question why I am even part of the fur culture.

And of course, I just made an argument with my own opinion on the subject. I guess that makes me part of this consensus *joke joke*

[zenia]

I don't mind babyfurs... but if they get into sexual situations, it goes over the line for me.

[Ember]

Roffo: my last post was meant to be speaking generally, not about this topic in particular :)