Baby/cub furs and Pup-Play Furs. the same?

[Karo the Dingo]

So i have two friends online that are always yelling at one another about there "fetishes". Pup-play (acting like a actual dog or other animal)
and Baby/cub fur (acting like a baby or toddler.)

And listening to this for about 5h at a time, my mind starts to wonder. and ive realized, there the same. so i don't know why people heat babyfurs more then they would with someone that has a pupplay fetish.

i will list...

Both need some kinda of caretaker. be it a mom/dad or a master/owner.
both crawl on the ground.
Can do things on there own.
Are usually punished if done something bad.
Feed.
Obey commands.
and sometimes bathroom stuff ( yuck )


I just find it really weird when someone yells out crap about baby-furs are creepy and wrong. :/

I think people just need to leave stuff like this alone and not yell at them about it, be it pup-play, baby-fur, furry in general or what ever els

[kohl]

No

[Zen]

No

It's like saying children and animals are the same. They have similarities, but are their own unique concept. That is mirrored into the role-play of any cub or pet player.

People don't get baby furs because it's easily, and incorrectly, associated with pedophiles. Same thing with furries being associated immediately with zoophilia.

[JFoxx]

lol whatever floats there boats...
every fetish out there has its own fine line of being fucked up and derranged and no one... NO ONE will ever understand fetishes while everyone has there own fucked up deep dark fetish to hide. (usually the ones who get looked down upon the most are the ones that dont hide that secret of a fetish which i find funny... society... i will never understand it.)

[Roffo]

Myself and a few other furs I know are into puppy play. And heres the thing - we don't associate baby-fur activities with puppy play.
Yes they have similarities but really we all know that they aren't 'the same' things.

Yes, there usually is a power exchange, but a lot of other fetishes/interests do.
Crawling on the ground; well, some puppy goers walk upright.
Feeding; dogs eat out of bowls on the ground, babyfurs get fed by hand usually.

Well yes I can see where you see them as the same. But usually us puppy players get out of our anthro perspectives and focus on being an actual dog.
I would assume the babyfurs are still anthro yet act at a younger age.

I personally dislike baby-play.

Either way its a neat topic to bring up.

[mediar]

No

Ditto.

[Ember]

Both share many traits the same but there is a key difference.

No on can deny that both fetishes can and do contain some elements of sexual play.

People are much more, uh, sensitive to sexual play involving elements of age regression.

[Peli]

People are much more, uh, sensitive to sexual play involving elements of age regression.

Because it's creepy. Really creepy.

[Karo the Dingo]

Both share many traits the same but there is a key difference.

No on can deny that both fetishes can and do contain some elements of sexual play.

People are much more, uh, sensitive to sexual play involving elements of age regression.

Great response as always ember.

this is all true, but what i don't understand is why is Age Regression so much worse then pretending to have sex with an Animal?

I wana know the "Thing" that pushes it over the edge.

[Roffo]

Its more or else having a sexual relation with someone who is dressed as an animal. Pup play also doesn't need to be used sexually. Getting into puppy-space is fun enough for me.
And the 'thing' that makes age regression a bit more odder than puppy play...maybe its because its more socially normal for humans to roleplay out animals (ever imagine yourself as an animal during childhood?)
Pretending to be a baby does seem to be very out of the norm. I assume it has to do with the social acceptance of the two.

[Peli]

I'm not sure that it's so much that it's out of the norm (which I guess it is), but more in relation to people who use elements of age regression in sexual roleplay, which is very easy for most people to link to having a sexual attraction to underage people. Which is not okay.

Obviously not saying that everyone would draw this conclusion, but I don't think that line of thought is unique to me.

[MurphyErasmus]

The main issue I take with sexuality and babyfurs being combined is this: Innocence. Children are innocent, and should REMAIN so until the end of childhood. I have had my childhood ruined by illness, sexual abuse, and ridiculous amounts of grief and hardship. To view a child, or a person pretending to be a child, in a sexual light is disturbing, and makes me want to pick up my little cousins and hide them in a bomb shelter.

As a woman considering mortality, her mateship, and the possibility of children, I know I would rip any sexual abusers of my babies to SHREDS. A child is a child, no exceptions. What is attractive about a baby? Babies are far less intelligent than a grown person, cannot hold a conversation, cannot reproduce, and are years away from sexual maturity. They also shit themselves and need help to eat. Babies are NOT toys to gain sexual gratification. How can a person make that sexual? There is something very, very wrong with people who see children as attractive.

As for pup play - well, animals who mate are sexually mature and willing to do so. I don't participate in or condone bestiality, but at least the animals are MATURE and WILLING. Babies are not mature and cannot consent.

It's also kinda creepy. You can't go back to being a drooling, shitting mess, no matter how much you want to. All of you are adults, or nearly so.

The thing about pup play is that it's great to have someone care for you and show you the same love as a master shows a pet. However, your partners are not your parents, just as a master is never a dog's parent. You are not your partner's child. If you marry your partner, you are not your spouse's child. You are a fucking adult. You always will be. For us, well, we fuck around with species all the time - if you want to get really into your chosen animal's mentality, sure, go for it, but don't be infantile about it.

[Vanilla Skunk]

Posts like the one above are one of the reasons Babyfurs don't wish to come out into the public.

I thought furries are supposed to be accepting of one another.

I don't know any babyfurs that are pedophiles.  Just pedophobic furs that don't understand and choose not to.

When is the last time you played with anything?  You have games on your phone right?  You still have childish tendencies.  Everyone does.  Including our government.  Some people just take it further.

And in the end, even if the person is acting like a child, they are in fact an adult.  It is STILL not pedophilia, and your children do not need to be hid in a bomb shelter.  That is cruelty to the children anyways, like growing up in a prison.

[mediar]

There are a lot of preconceived notions for any activity that is,'not the norm'. Doeant matter if its furry, bdsm, gay, straight or wtfe. The way i look at it is this, if the couple/group are all legal and concenting adults, then its fine and I wont even bat an eye at it. I strongly earge people to ask questions about something before they pass judgment and/or make public posts on the subject...

We as furries really should be more open to such activities, and if its not your cup of tea, don't be an ass about it.

[Zen]

I'm basically summarizing the last few posts together here, but there are a two things that people are forgetting.

1. Not all babyfurs have sex.

2. We're talking about roleplay between consenting adults, not actual children or pets.

I'm also the father of three, and I have no issue with age play, baby furs or pet play. As stated before, these are all roleplay between consenting adults, so in that way they should be treated the same. (And yes, that contradicts my first post a bit.) However, the question originally was, are the two types of roleplay the same, and my answer is still no to that.

The attitude -- a widely held and incorrect attitude -- that "baby fur is bad because it is about children, but pet play is fine because it is pretend", needs to be changed. I highly encourage people to stop superficially jumping all over this thread just because "baby fur" was mentioned, and try to be more accepting of the fetishes and personal pleasures of all consenting adults. After all, jumping all over a consenting adult for misinformation is the same reason people hate furries without really understanding them.