What the hell happened here?!

[Zetta]

Agreed, and then hipsters are next.

BECAUSE YOU'RE SO UNDERGROUND, YOU'VE SURFACED OUT THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLANET AND BECAME MAINSTREAM.

AGAIN.

[Taiga]

Posers & Hipsters...yeah I can go with that.  The easy part about a hipster is you can see them a mile away.  The Posers are more elusive and it's more fun extricating them from the group...ah yes, watch those little bastard squirm as they are exposed for the lying heathens that they are. :thumbs:

[EmoFox]

thats the last time I take a nap in the middle of the afternoon, XD

The only thing I disagree with is the generalization that everyone who is different on the internet than they are in person is a poser. I can guarantee you that I'm a different person on these forums than I am at furmeets (gizmo's parties). I'm far more opinionated and in your face. But again, you can't break my legs over the internet. So part of it is because I do feel safer. Even then I'm discrete in what I share, for various reasons, including the possibility of actually meeting some of you people. I really do better in smaller groups, or one on one. I'd like to think that most anyone who's met me can vouch for that fact.

And to answer Naetholix, for starters, it's rare to find a "troll" who trolls with intelligence and has an actual argument instead of just going to personal attacks. Usually it's "that's an ignorant statement for these reasons." and they respond with "you're an idiot, you're a whore, you don't know anything because you're a woman" etc. etc. So... mostly because I'm actually enjoying the debate. :p

[Taiga]

I can accept that some people play a different card online than they do offline.  What I don't accept is the fact that if someone is shy and reserved offline, given a system where they can go out into the internet and then turn around and do things like you say, opinionated and in your face, because they can hide behind the safety of the internet...well, that only goes so far.  Safety only goes so far, because if someone takes offense at what you say, sees it as a veiled threat, or even an actual blatant threat, you can still have the cops at your door.  One fur on here actually pulled that and had that happen to him.  Or, you get the ones who talk the big talk, yap off and say all kinds of things, then when told to step up to the plate and back up what they say, they log off in fear and are on the phone calling the cops because they stirred up a hornet's nest with their stupid diatribe, again, veiled behind their safe computer, and cry to the cops that someone threatened them, when they were the ones who initiated it! >:(  Oh...oh... and then get back on and cry that they are innocent, that they were being bullied, again, caused by their own hand or should I say, mouth?  It's easy to sit behind a computer and spew off all kinds of shit, talk a big talk, give advice on shit that they have no idea on what they are talking about, get called on it because it's so damned obvious that it's a load of crap, then cry foul, because they got exposed...and then try to peg it on someone else.  That is still a POSER.  If you can't put your money where your mouth is, then that is a POSER.  Someone who spews off death threats or physical violence on the internet, then given the chance to make good on that supposed threat, or to be given the chance to prove how tough they are, instead runs off or gives all kinds of excuses as to why they won't.  Step it up a notch, and have the person that was being threatened by the one who was doing the threatening actually be in the same town as the one who made the threats, and the cops get called by the one who initially made the threats!!  POSER!!  Seriously, this shit does still happen!  It's disgusting, pathetic, and I'll repeat, if someone can't put their money where their mouth is, POSER. >:(

[Carthage]

I can accept that some people play a different card online than they do offline.  What I don't accept is the fact that if someone is shy and reserved offline, given a system where they can go out into the internet and then turn around and do things like you say, opinionated and in your face, because they can hide behind the safety of the internet...well, that only goes so far.

Like I said, people can, and will behave differently online because it's an environment where they feel safer.

Safety only goes so far, because if someone takes offense at what you say, sees it as a veiled threat, or even an actual blatant threat, you can still have the cops at your door.

This is a bit extreme though. Do some people take it a bit far? Sure. But even some of the most arrogant over-confident people online will have the common sense of their off-line counterparts. They'll read what they've typed and know when they've crossed a line. Those few who don't probably don't belong here or in some cases, anywhere on the internet.

Someone who spews off death threats or physical violence on the internet, then given the chance to make good on that supposed threat, or to be given the chance to prove how tough they are, instead runs off or gives all kinds of excuses as to why they won't.  Step it up a notch, and have the person that was being threatened by the one who was doing the threatening actually be in the same town as the one who made the threats, and the cops get called by the one who initially made the threats!!  POSER!!  Seriously, this shit does still happen!  It's disgusting, pathetic, and I'll repeat, if someone can't put their money where their mouth is, POSER. >:(

While I in no way support posting death threats on the internet, you have to remember that this is just that: The Internet. Anywhere between 90-99% of what you read is bullshit. This doesn't make posting them any more right or take away any of the culpability from those who choose to threaten others, but it should at least offer some perspective.

While it's not always easy to distinguish the real from the fake, when you can you're better served by simply ignoring the it. These are people whose personalities you likely will not be able to change, trying will only frustrate you further.

[Taiga]

Yeah, it is frustrating. :roll:  We have one here on this board.   :birdy:
These types of people who have been told time and again to get help, but refuse to, come up with excuse after excuse as to why they won't, say incredibly hurtful things to people who are innocent and then can't understand why people get mad at them for being such an idiot.  Frustrating that people like this can go through life like they have, and pull the wool over so many eyes with the lies and bullshit.  Then whine they are being bullied when someone points out how dumb they are being, try to play innocent.  I know I've been called meekrat, a slut, a bitch, I should be killed and I will be killed if they ever get their hands on me, I'm not a female...I'm a thing, a cunt...and this all by the same person, nonetheless. :D  Kinda shows you the mentality of what you are dealing with on here.  Oh, and when you hit a nerve, called the truth, they go whining to the admins that they are being targeted for bullying.  WHAT?!  Last time I checked, being called on a lie or being called an idiot for actually blatantly being one by acting such, hurting people due to that stupidity, as it has, wasn't bullying.  That is a direct attempt to take the spotlight off of them and onto someone else, but hey, that seems to be quite typical of a yellow-bellied snake, right?  But, I'll go back to this:  The way people like this come onto boards and portray a completely different thing.  They come on with *hugs tightly* *hugs and nuzzles*  you know, all of the cutsie wootsie stuff that we are known for, get everyone feeling warm and fuzzy, hoping to win someone over etc, etc...then for whatever reason someone spots something not right.  Calls them on it.  Guilty party spazzes and tries to whatever avail to blame someone else.  And low and behold, at some point you actually meet this person in real life, they figure out who you are, and they get the hell out of Dodge with or without their clothes. :D
My response is still the same.   Don't write out a cheque with your mouth if you can't cash it with your body.  There's no reason to be something you're not on the internet unless you are engaging in an RP.  That doesn't mean to say that everyone is playing charades, ok?  yeah sure there are plenty of people who are mild an dshy in public, give them a computer and a room to themselves and they can turn into Attila the Hun.  Just remember though that when you do say stuff on the internet, it is the internet, yes...but shit can still come back and bite you in the ass.  Cops nowadays are taking internet threats as serious as any other verbal threat these days.  just that when they see 'furry' in front of it, they'll more than likely laugh.  Unless, of course, it is so blatantly bad that you can't push it off as juvenile fights in the sandbox.

[Drake Wingfire]

No.  Having a shy personality in RL and pretending to be something you're not online and deceiving others into believing you are a totally different person is pathetic.  Be the same person online as you are offline (or vise-versa) and I won't have a problem with it, whether you're mouthy, shy, bubbly, flamboyant, whatever.

Ehhh... dude, half the people you associate with around FA are arrogant pretenders who solely FEED off of their "seniority" and the popularity of them/ their friends have in this fandom. To say other people are pathetic for the same reason (not arguing the point that shallow low lives with complexes are kinda pathetic) does seem a bit hypocritical.

I don't think I really need to bring up any examples here....

THAT being said... there is ONE, UNO, SINGLE...  good thing that comes with being around the fandom for X years (and its NOT the elitist mindset of thinking your god) and thats the simple notion that you can walk around expecting drama and being able to side step it instead running head strong into it.. im not saying to pussy foot around, but joining the fray does kinda hurt ones argument when the wording treads the line of "so many people here are immature jackasses and stir up drama!" because said argument is simply adding to the drama and really accomplishing nothing in the end. (GAH side tracked..) what I am getting at is, in the fandom you really gotta kinda expect shit to happen and people to argue and not get along, humanity as a whole is the exact same way in in the end no matter how much of a Dragon/ Otherkin/ Furry lifestyle-er/ fanboy/ Popular you are you are still just another person in this world soley defeined by a general interest in animals and anthropomorphic creatures. You tend to come out more pleasantly surprised when you meet the real nice furs who are not just around cause you do good art or have connections with people who draw eye popping porn. (or do nothing but commission it)

I use to freaking EXPLODE on forums when I was like 16-20, I let myself get sucked right into the heart of the drama (perhaps I am just doing the same here) but these days, really it takes a lot more to get to me and some fur, no matter if he is a art god, a forum mod, or just a new guy to the fandom really makes me give a shit about their words if they are just slander and babble because in the end this is the internet, they are all just regular people and no matter how many cock sucks one amasses or how many forums they moderate at, its all just dick jerking in the wind for the sake of dick jerking to look impressive.

[Renwaldo]

This all sounds very personal. Is this really something that needs a public thread?

When I asked for an example I didn't think it would change the whole topic to revolve around one instance.

[Taiga]

I can tell you, this isn't one instance, it happens quite a fair bit.   :o

[Renwaldo]

This is the first I have heard about anything like that happening here. I'm sure it happens in many places all over the internet, but I have never read anything like that on this forum.  ???

[Drake Wingfire]

This is the first I have heard about anything like that happening here. I'm sure it happens in many places all over the internet, but I have never read anything like that on this forum.  ???

Every once in a blue moon it happens, its happened at every fur forum I have been at the past.. god knows how long. Its really a par-for-the-course kinda thing, no decent sized forum ever wins the flame/ drama free award because its an award that really doesn't exist in the first place.

Not to sound like im just dumping it all on your head as if to say "ze world is shit, get to know this" I just mean that after a while you don't really pay much attention to the outbursts and the like.

[Taiga]

It's happened on other furry boards where bans had to be put in place.  Actually, come to think of it, it's not just furry boards it's motorcycle boards etc. this has taken place on.  Maybe the reason you haven't 'seen' it on here is because the radar isn't set low enough.   :D

[Zetta]

This is completely irrelevant but its one of those weird things that i thought about once, and then felt like doing my bad MS paint shooping. like i did with that back to the future thing from  a long time ago which people probably don't remember



Not meaning anything negative but considering i don't really know much about you but comparing your avatar to the way you act in this thread seriously made me think of lightning from ff13 xD

Are my photoshop skills amazing or what

YeahIProbablyShouldn'tPostInThisThreadAnymore..

[Taiga]

It's ok, Zetta, really. :)  I'm just not shy to say what I think, and call things when things need to be said.  A lot of the times I will speak up when nobody else will, but in this instance I am agreeing with Naeth.  He brought up a lot of good points that I can agree with, so I stood up to make sure that it's not just him voicing something that is actually truth, and does happen.  The sad part is that many people tend to just ignore things like this, when others get hurt by individuals who are less than stable.  That is when I take offense.  I can get along with just about anybody, I just don't put up with bullshit. :thumbs:

[EmoFox]

I dunno, I think one of the reasons we haven't seen anything as severe as death threats and whatnot is probably because no one on the board is immature enough, or dramatic enough. to go that far. I'm pretty sure most people can tell when they've crossed a line, and most of the people on the board are good for telling people when they've crossed a line, or will report them when they continue crossing said line. A good example of such is the "standing up for females" thread, in which several people were told they crossed the line, not only in the OP, but further in the thread where they continued making asses of themselves and they were reported for it. Unfortunately, this is also a good example of the point I think Naetholix was trying to make in the first place(i think), as I believe the mods/admins didn't really do anything about it, and I'm not quite sure why.