Humans and Animals

[Sevrin]

~Sevrin

I'm not suggesting that we hunt them to the brink of extinction; I am suggesting an organized and controlled thinning of the herd. There is a vast difference. I also do not like to see an animal be killed and go to waste, that is why I would like to see the meat and hides used, rather than discarded.

You are right, we are not the hunters we once were, and guns are hugely different from spears or arrows. The method of hunting has very little to do with the desired end result, however. I don't care if we use blow guns or tactical missiles as long as the end result is the deer as a species finding our scent and our presence frightening. Fear equals avoidance, which means decreased instances of accidental or unnecessary death by human means.

And I'm sorry, love, but I'm afraid you are wrong about evolution. It is, as it always has been, in full effect. If you choose a local species of birds or rodents and watch it for a few years, take notes and such, you will see changes in their behavior. Every generation finds a better way to relate to their environment, new ways to solve problems, food sources or varieties that are more easily accessible. Sometimes it is hard to see the changes, but if you really look, they are there.  ;)

I don't believe hunting is the same as it was though, I'm not sure deer will learn to be afraid of humans if we are using guns to kill them, hunting these days means hiding and shooting from a distance, there isn't as much to link us to their deaths as there would be for something like a wolf, these are herbivores we are talking about here, they really aren't very smart, I just believe our methods of hunting are beyond their understanding. Because we are an evolutionary blip, something unique, something that has never happened before, the traditional laws of evolution are distorted for us and for the things we interact with, if we just let evolution run its normal course, we would become a scourge that would destroy life everywhere, and completely change the global environment. (obviously not everything would die, life always finds a way, but it would be a massive revolution) we need to as a species engineer our own evolution and that of the creatures around us, which means more creative solutions than traditional hunting. I think I said this a little better this time around. Check out this bigthink video, Michio Kaku can explain what I'm getting at with human evolution better, even though it's slightly off topic: Michio Kaku: Mankind Has Stopped Evolving

[Nibi]

Check out this bigthink video, Michio Kaku can explain what I'm getting at with human evolution better, even though it's slightly off topic: Michio Kaku: Mankind Has Stopped Evolving

Hey! I watch that channel on YouTube! XDD Haha.

I still don't understand why deer must be killed. WILD deer that don't live in cities kill more people by crossing highways (because they're not road smart like city deer) then deer that live around people. They also are pretty much harmless except for a couple occurrences like mentioned in that article. Even then, nobody is killed, and injuries aren't really severe. I'm personally more intimidated by raccoons and tiny dogs. XDDD

[Sevrin]

oh man racoons that aren't used to humans are scary as hell, when I've got one of those things standing in front of me I'm like "so this is how I die"

[Tef]

I've read through all of your posts, and Chloe's, as well as bloodred's arguments were most prominent. Allow me to offer a bit of a consensus...

1. This point is more at Chloe's: We are unjustly responsible for our previous generations' fault of greed and human-centric ideal. In a nutshell, we are responsible for the reality that we did not build.

2. This point is more at bloodredruby's : I do see where you are getting at in terms of hunting, though I'll more likely to label such a necessity as a "necessary evil" at best.

[Chloe]

Well anyways, seeing as this thread is dying off, and I don't really have much more to add myself. I'm just going to say thanks everyone for joining in on this discussion ^.^ It was interesting to read the different things people had to say.