Humans and Animals

[Chloe]

So I was just downstairs grabbing some grapes and something on the news caught my eye. You may have heard this already, but apparently the deer around the Victoria area are starting to come in to the city more and more often. I didn't catch the beginning of the story but what I did hear is that the plan is to take violent action against this. On the other hand one man mentioned that the deer were driven out of their environment and have no other place to go. Quite frankly I can't help but believe this guy considering its something human beings have done multiple times.

I wouldn't exactly call myself an animal activist, but its moments like this that make me sigh and shake my head. Deer are driven out of their environment because of us, and the first thing we think to ourselves is. "Huh, this is a real problem. We better start killing them. That's the only solution I can see!" Not to mention some feeling completely justified for it. I took the time to read a little more in to it online, and wow I got to say the media is not showing any mercy to the deer, practically painting them as monsters using words like, "Viciously attacked" and so forth. Here's one particular article I read about a woman who was apparently attacked when she encountered a doe and some fawns.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/deer-woman-faceoff-in-victoria/article1368582/

I'm just curious to hear what other peoples thoughts are on matters like this. (Even though I think I know what peoples thoughts are already haha.) Do you think we should try to co-exist or solve the problem by force? Is it to much of a risk to try and find alternative methods? Is it our fault? Is it the deers fault? Give me your opinion. As for myself, I honestly feel that we have no one to blame but ourselves, so why is it that the deers have to pay the price and not us? No instead we have to find as much shock stories as we can to justify killing them. To put things simply, I think we should try to co-exist, not kill them. What are your thoughts?

[Sevrin]

I think we should kill all the deer obviously, being herbavores they are obviously vicious dangerous creatures that are launching an attack against all of canada, the only reasonable course of action is to wipe them out.

come on people, they are deer, I mean really.

[Coal Silvermuzzle]

Chloe, I do not agree with the killing of the dear. I had a farm in Nova Scotia at one point and we were fine with the deer, they my have eaten some of our crops so we decided to feed them and all was fine. Like all animals or mammals they will defend their offspring, the person you talk about was most likely attacked because they wound up in between the mother and the offspring.

We are in there territory that we took from them, not a matter of them invading our territory, but us invading theirs.

[Chloe]

I think we should kill all the deer obviously, being herbavores they are obviously vicious dangerous creatures that are launching an attack against all of canada, the only reasonable course of action is to wipe them out.

come on people, they are deer, I mean really.

Yeah, the article I included talked about a woman walking her dog when she ran in to a doe whom started chasing her and wouldn't stop. Now mind you the article also mentioned three fawns were with the doe. It also neglects to mention that the dog was probably barking at the deer. (I'm just making an educated guess since I see that with most dogs.) So maybe the doe just felt her children were threatened.

Apparently the doe leaves after a car goes by but then the dog gets off his leash and chases after the deer thus getting hurt. (Which is the deers fault by the way, according to the woman.) Now she keeps a golf club handy just in case she needs to do some deer killin'

I agree with you. They're deer, we should be able to co-exist.

[Chloe]

Chloe, I do not agree with the killing of the dear. I had a farm in Nova Scotia at one point and we were fine with the deer, they my have eaten some of our crops so we decided to feed them and all was fine. Like all animals or mammals they will defend their offspring, the person you talk about was most likely attacked because they wound up in between the mother and the offspring.

We are in there territory that we took from them, not a matter of them invading our territory, but us invading theirs.

I couldn't agree more.

In the case of the woman that's exactly what I was thinking. This very woman is on the news ans she's just acting flabbergasted by it all. It makes my head hurt.

[Sevrin]

LOL A GOLF CLUB, like that's gonna help against an angry deer? if someone was threatening your child would you think twice because they had a GOLF CLUB? I wish I could talk some sense into this woman.

I doubt any real action is gonna be taken, animals have been wandering into residential areas forever, I think there was a similar media hype with bears a while back, I don't remember much about it but I'm pretty sure they didn't kill all the bears because of it, in fact if memory serves they just picked up the bears and relocated them when they showed up in residential areas.

[Chloe]

LOL A GOLF CLUB, like that's gonna help against an angry deer? if someone was threatening your child would you think twice because they had a GOLF CLUB? I wish I could talk some sense into this woman.

I doubt any real action is gonna be taken, animals have been wandering into residential areas forever, I think there was a similar media hype with bears a while back, I don't remember much about it but I'm pretty sure they didn't kill all the bears because of it, in fact if memory serves they just picked up the bears and relocated them when they showed up in residential areas.

Yeah I hear you, like I said in one of my posts above, she makes my head hurt.

I hope you're right. It just really annoys me how the media has to blow it out of proportion like this.

[zenia]

There is a herd that live around my apartment. I love seeing them walk by my window. :)

Twitchy

[Sevrin]

that's how they make money, the more shocking a story seems the more interested people will be, that's really the basis of a lot of bullshit throughout human history and isn't likely to change for a while longer, though who knows, humans are getting smarter every day and technology is getting better at understanding the human brain every day too, maybe some day soon we can as a race set aside all these ridiculous ways of thinking and focus on things more important than who can make more money over some woman getting attacked by a deer because she has no idea how to deal with animals.

There is a herd that live around my apartment. I love seeing them walk by my window. :)

and do they ever attack you unprovoked? I'm guessing no. also that's adorable :-3

[Chloe]

that's how they make money, the more shocking a story seems the more interested people will be, that's really the basis of a lot of bullshit throughout human history and isn't likely to change for a while longer, though who knows, humans are getting smarter every day and technology is getting better at understanding the human brain every day too, maybe some day soon we can as a race set aside all these ridiculous ways of thinking and focus on things more important than who can make more money over some woman getting attacked by a deer because she has no idea how to deal with animals.

and do they ever attack you unprovoked? I'm guessing no. also that's adorable :-3

I know I know, I'm familiar with the term. "If it bleeds, it leads.", but I can still be annoyed by it con sarn it!! D:< Haha. Actually, it's for this very reason why I love John Stewart and Stephen Colbert. They're my heroes for smacking down over hyped media and exploiting it for the joke it really is. Oh don't forget, she doesn't know how to keep her dog on a leash either! (Something I still can't get over.  :roll:)

[Chloe]

There is a herd that live around my apartment. I love seeing them walk by my window. :)

Twitchy

Eee so cute! Oh and might I say your icon is absolutely adorable too Zenia!

[Sevrin]

I know I know, I'm familiar with the term. "If it bleeds, it leads.", but I can still be annoyed by it con sarn it!! D:< Haha. Actually, it's for this very reason why I love John Stewart and Stephen Colbert. They're my heroes for smacking down over hyped media and exploiting it for the joke it really is. Oh don't forget, she doesn't know how to keep her dog on a leash either! (Something I still can't get over.  :roll:)

hehe yeah! I love those shows, I haven't been watching them much lately though, I should do that... BEST WAY TO LEARN ABOUT WORLD EVENTS! XD

[Nibi]

Bah, humans can be so silly. xD;; The last placed I lived (bordering Glenmore/Downtown Kelowna) has deer that visit every year in the spring/summer. My guess is that they follow the train tracks that are nearby and come in town for safety (and the nice grass on lawns xD). I always avoided the deer, and they would avoid me, so I never had any problems with them. As long as you look at them from afar they seem not to mind people.

I've also seen coyotes and raccoons in Kelowna. I personally like having more wildlife around and they shouldn't be considered pests, but protected.

I remember once though when I walked out the front door of my last house there was a line up of 4 baby raccoons walking in front of me and I had a heart attack. First thought was, "HOLY SHIT! Where's their mommy?!" They quickly ran under some bushes but I didn't leave the house for another 10 minutes just in case. XD I didn't want to have to get a rabies shot.


In this picture, those fawns were only a couple days old. I remember seeing her laying in the backyard with a huge tummy, then a day later she had these little guys following her around.

[Sevrin]

Oh man, it must be awesome living in kelowna! all those cute animals and forests and stuff. :D

[Sasha]

Each of these stories are just a lesson in disguise.

The few raccoon I am lucky enough to see by a local lake

Coyote cautiously wandering behind on its way to a dark refuge

None have done anything, with common sense - not giving them dependence on us - not harming their safety - only clear passage.

Tigerface.