!!Theoretical Question Time!!

[Fleurette]

In regards to my answer, I chose destruction.
Saving only one race of the many beautiful people on this Earth is completely against everything I stand for.
If all lives are equally precious, then they are all equally worthless, and I would rather see everybody be reborn together, than have only one race survive.

And to answer some of Sevrins questions, because I'm now too lazy to quote:
Yes, people would be reborn and programmed for love, and not hate, it would be an entirely human condition.
Humans would develop at an incredibly fast rate, don't ask me how, I just thought of the question, you do the rest, LOL!

[Sevrin]

alright well here's another question: what if I choose neither god and instead choose to be an atheist? then does nobody have to die?

[Fleurette]

alright well here's another question: what if I choose neither god and instead choose to be an atheist? then does nobody have to die?

Aahh, lovely theory.
If you deny either god, the world continues as is.

[Sevrin]

then I choose atheism.

[Drake Wingfire]

then I choose atheism.

Ditto XD

[Fuzzum]

and just scuttles the hole thing well done   :P

[Grace]

I was surprised when no one on the first page took the loophole (since it says "can choose," not "have to choose"). I'm glad to see that post of the second page revolves around this point.

Now, in brief, my reasoning behind this being this option being ideal is that, while our world is not perfect as it is now -- there is hate, war, famine, destruction, etc. -- it also contains so many good and positive things -- people helping each other, love, selflessness, etc. Both these negative and positive thigns are created by people of all colours and in all walks of life; just as a rich person can donate money, a poor person can donate time, and just as a dictator can start a war, so too can a street gang. We are currently living in a place of balance and, sure, sometimes the bad can far outweigh the good, but, at the same time, all of the negative things allow the inherent goodness of so many people to show through.

To say that all of the bad will end if all races but one are eradicated is only a half truth -- yes, the current problems may come to an end, but that leaves room for new, potentially worse, ones to arise. In the same vein, destroying everything, only to bring life back in "equality" is only a temporary solution. Equality only lasts as long as people are willing to be equal, and in a species where that is nigh impossible (there will always be differences in intelligence, skills, problem solving, interests, etc.), it will not last long. And then, even if there is no racial discrepancy, they will simply find some other obvious feature, be it physical or not, to focus on and discriminate against. I'm not saying that this would be the case for everyone, but it would be the case for enough.

[Fleurette]

I was surprised when no one on the first page took the loophole (since it says "can choose," not "have to choose"). I'm glad to see that post of the second page revolves around this point.

Now, in brief, my reasoning behind this being this option being ideal is that, while our world is not perfect as it is now -- there is hate, war, famine, destruction, etc. -- it also contains so many good and positive things -- people helping each other, love, selflessness, etc. Both these negative and positive thigns are created by people of all colours and in all walks of life; just as a rich person can donate money, a poor person can donate time, and just as a dictator can start a war, so too can a street gang. We are currently living in a place of balance and, sure, sometimes the bad can far outweigh the good, but, at the same time, all of the negative things allow the inherent goodness of so many people to show through.

To say that all of the bad will end if all races but one are eradicated is only a half truth -- yes, the current problems may come to an end, but that leaves room for new, potentially worse, ones to arise. In the same vein, destroying everything, only to bring life back in "equality" is only a temporary solution. Equality only lasts as long as people are willing to be equal, and in a species where that is nigh impossible (there will always be differences in intelligence, skills, problem solving, interests, etc.), it will not last long. And then, even if there is no racial discrepancy, they will simply find some other obvious feature, be it physical or not, to focus on and discriminate against. I'm not saying that this would be the case for everyone, but it would be the case for enough.

Dingdingding~
We have a winner.

[Tef]

And then, even if there is no racial discrepancy, they will simply find some other obvious feature, be it physical or not, to focus on and discriminate against. I'm not saying that this would be the case for everyone, but it would be the case for enough.

I've followed this topic for quite a while and I thought I should add my two cents.

Forget about a right or wrong world in terms of equality, social ills is, and I can't stress this enough, a necessary evil to facilitate society. Atheistic or theistic, terrorism or non-terrorism, bigotry or non-bigotry, 420 or no-420, you get the idea. If we live in a world with no fear, sadness or anger, how can we enjoy what is peace, or happiness? This is the concept of harmony that the world rests upon, for better or for worse.

[kohl]

I posted it because I think there should be a shared environment of people. If the white people like to consume and destroy there homeland so be it. Stay in your own land and do it. White people have made great discoveries in society but they've taken a great cost because of it. Why destroy a land of people that have become united with nature? White people brought upon a disease on the new world. This land was what I believe most of you would consider paradise. It was lost. For what? Fortune. It's still happening. How can you still like the race of the white people as they still take a beautiful land and taint it? You tell me to think before I post, how 'bout you see it from my perspective. Sure you've had an inflated society back east. You started with good trades, brought us great technology but then you start killing us so you can take over the land and dig up gold, abuse the environment and find cheap housing for your degenerates and criminals. How'd you like to be stolen from your home, enslaved, and die of disease? How'd you like it if your children were pulled from your arms, beaten for believing what you taught them. I do not think white people have the right state of mind to be able to withhold a stable environment. I got more but I'll let you guys think about this for now.

[Sevrin]

Look, kohl, nobody is even still alive from that time, the settlers that colonized america and killed the natives are all dead, the people who owned slaves are all dead, the only real atrocity that's gone on recently is george W bush and he's not president of the US anymore so yeah.
very few people think that white history is something to be proud of and talking about this stuff now is like if you were to go into this thread: http://www.bcfurries.com/forum/index.php?topic=2557.0
and tell people to calm down. The simple fact is; most people aren't like that anymore, most people agree that white people have done some terrible things in the past, but those people are DEAD, and unless something terrible has happened to you specifically in your lifetime I don't see what you're upset about, none of this has happened to you, and if something bad HAS happened to you, I'm sorry for that, but you need to realize that some people are just douchebags, and it has nothing to do with race or ethnicity.

[EpicurYeen]

When your race is massively hunted and killed in there home by white people you lose your remorse for them.

I believe Kohl is referring to the government of Canada's Indian Act, which still ran residential schools into the 1960s. First Nation's children were ripped out of their cultural family environment and thrust into the abusive custody of church-run residential schools, abuses for which the federal government has only recently apologized. The link to elders was severed, languages allowed to fade into extinction. The central-coastal cultural groups (Bella Bella, Alert Bay, Bella Coola, etc.) were prohibited by law to practice the extremely important Potlach ceremony, which involved feasting, the transfer of wealth between families and clans, the status of chiefs, hereditary dances and songs. Massive amounts of goods were transferred at these gatherings. Assimilation was thought to be the best way to integrate presumably uncivilized, uncultured stone-aged people into society, but this ignorant thinking did more harm than benefit. The native people are still not fully integrated into Canadian society, and their own history and culture is still important, more so now that they are retracing and reclaiming portions of it. Some things are lost, a lot of artifacts and masks were burned by the churches, presumed by missionaries to be idols of false gods and demons. Totem poles were dug up and burial boxes removed from villages, and shipped to museums all around the world (take a trip to the Museum of Anthropology, or the Royal British Columbia Museum, in Victoria, have a look around). If someone from outside of a white culture were to exhume bodies and headstones from a cemetery, there would be mass protests, but the natives weren't held to the same standard, they were subhuman, their possessions, customs and art were deemed worthless by the invading colonials.

This isn't ancient history, the most recent amendment to the Indian Act was in 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Act

[Nibi]

Why should a group of people be blamed for something they weren't all a part of?

You see this everywhere, all of the time, and it really makes me sad. Rather than focus on those specific individuals that committed the crime, we hold everybody else that is genetically/philosophically similar accountable.

[kohl]

Most white people I've been around complain about Indians, Asians and the Mexicans. They're not even in there own territory. How do they even have the right to complain about other people coming into Canada when they themselves have invaded the territory?

Well most white people are still here consuming the land that my ancestors have nourished. Why not have all the white people travel back to the east where they started all this consumer ship? I've worked for these people that clear cut forests to build there million dollar homes. I couldn't even last for a month because it sickened me to see this prime land for wild life be ripped apart. Mountain goats were wandering into the city. Why? They were being pushed out of there home. This is spreading. It worries me. It makes me believe that humanity will live on supplements instead of a stable environment. There will be no need for animals or plant life. Even though that plant life has been proven to even cure AIDS and cure most of the ailments of sicknesses and disease. The lumber industry makes more money then an unpatented product provided by these plants so they're destroyed. This stuff is happening to me. I do deliveries to the exterior and all I see is more clear cutting and more houses being built. The natives here get segregated, I think the white people should be confined to build in certain areas.

Thank you Yoti.

Nibi. You people are still here. Spreading out and consuming the land that my people believed to be sacred and full of spirituality. You're pushing wildlife into dangerous territory and killing them for it when they pass the boundaries. Your people are making your own language mandatory to survive in this land. How do you think a native is supposed to support even himself in this land when your 'civilization' rejects him for speaking his kins language and takes property over his hunting ground? If I went out to feed myself as my people did I'd get locked up in a box.

[Grace]

I'm not getting involved in this, since I have very strong opinions regarding all of it (my grandmother grew up in a residential school and the last one wasn't actually shut down until the late '80s, so yeah). However, Kohl, I have to request that you stop referring to everyone here as "you people." You're separating yourself from everyone in the thread, as if they're all some "great white menace" without their own heritages, histories, and backgrounds facing against you as a lone representative of first nations people. Finger-pointing like that makes you come across as childish and makes it harder to take your arguments seriously since it sounds as if they're coming from a petty child. Another reason for this is that you're speaking as if the people in this thread, who you are talking to, are the ones responsible for all of these atrocities, when, for the most part, that's not remotely true. You have good points and I want to take you seriously, but it's very difficult when you speak as if it's you against the world, when it's really, really not.