So i have two friends online that are always yelling at one another about there "fetishes". Pup-play (acting like a actual dog or other animal)
and Baby/cub fur (acting like a baby or toddler.)
And listening to this for about 5h at a time, my mind starts to wonder. and ive realized, there the same. so i don't know why people heat babyfurs more then they would with someone that has a pupplay fetish.
i will list...
Both need some kinda of caretaker. be it a mom/dad or a master/owner.
both crawl on the ground.
Can do things on there own.
Are usually punished if done something bad.
Feed.
Obey commands.
and sometimes bathroom stuff ( yuck )
I just find it really weird when someone yells out crap about baby-furs are creepy and wrong. :/
I think people just need to leave stuff like this alone and not yell at them about it, be it pup-play, baby-fur, furry in general or what ever els
No
: kohl September 25, 2011, 11:35:30 -06:00
No
It's like saying children and animals are the same. They have similarities, but are their own unique concept. That is mirrored into the role-play of any cub or pet player.
People don't get baby furs because it's easily, and incorrectly, associated with pedophiles. Same thing with furries being associated immediately with zoophilia.
lol whatever floats there boats...
every fetish out there has its own fine line of being fucked up and derranged and no one... NO ONE will ever understand fetishes while everyone has there own fucked up deep dark fetish to hide. (usually the ones who get looked down upon the most are the ones that dont hide that secret of a fetish which i find funny... society... i will never understand it.)
Myself and a few other furs I know are into puppy play. And heres the thing - we don't associate baby-fur activities with puppy play.
Yes they have similarities but really we all know that they aren't 'the same' things.
Yes, there usually is a power exchange, but a lot of other fetishes/interests do.
Crawling on the ground; well, some puppy goers walk upright.
Feeding; dogs eat out of bowls on the ground, babyfurs get fed by hand usually.
Well yes I can see where you see them as the same. But usually us puppy players get out of our anthro perspectives and focus on being an actual dog.
I would assume the babyfurs are still anthro yet act at a younger age.
I personally dislike baby-play.
Either way its a neat topic to bring up.
Both share many traits the same but there is a key difference.
No on can deny that both fetishes can and do contain some elements of sexual play.
People are much more, uh, sensitive to sexual play involving elements of age regression.
: Ember September 27, 2011, 01:01:21 -06:00
People are much more, uh, sensitive to sexual play involving elements of age regression.
Because it's creepy. Really creepy.
: Ember September 27, 2011, 01:01:21 -06:00
Both share many traits the same but there is a key difference.
No on can deny that both fetishes can and do contain some elements of sexual play.
People are much more, uh, sensitive to sexual play involving elements of age regression.
Great response as always ember.
this is all true, but what i don't understand is why is Age Regression so much worse then pretending to have sex with an Animal?
I wana know the "Thing" that pushes it over the edge.
Its more or else having a sexual relation with someone who is dressed as an animal. Pup play also doesn't need to be used sexually. Getting into puppy-space is fun enough for me.
And the 'thing' that makes age regression a bit more odder than puppy play...maybe its because its more socially normal for humans to roleplay out animals (ever imagine yourself as an animal during childhood?)
Pretending to be a baby does seem to be very out of the norm. I assume it has to do with the social acceptance of the two.
I'm not sure that it's so much that it's out of the norm (which I guess it is), but more in relation to people who use elements of age regression in sexual roleplay, which is very easy for most people to link to having a sexual attraction to underage people. Which is not okay.
Obviously not saying that everyone would draw this conclusion, but I don't think that line of thought is unique to me.
The main issue I take with sexuality and babyfurs being combined is this: Innocence. Children are innocent, and should REMAIN so until the end of childhood. I have had my childhood ruined by illness, sexual abuse, and ridiculous amounts of grief and hardship. To view a child, or a person pretending to be a child, in a sexual light is disturbing, and makes me want to pick up my little cousins and hide them in a bomb shelter.
As a woman considering mortality, her mateship, and the possibility of children, I know I would rip any sexual abusers of my babies to SHREDS. A child is a child, no exceptions. What is attractive about a baby? Babies are far less intelligent than a grown person, cannot hold a conversation, cannot reproduce, and are years away from sexual maturity. They also shit themselves and need help to eat. Babies are NOT toys to gain sexual gratification. How can a person make that sexual? There is something very, very wrong with people who see children as attractive.
As for pup play - well, animals who mate are sexually mature and willing to do so. I don't participate in or condone bestiality, but at least the animals are MATURE and WILLING. Babies are not mature and cannot consent.
It's also kinda creepy. You can't go back to being a drooling, shitting mess, no matter how much you want to. All of you are adults, or nearly so.
The thing about pup play is that it's great to have someone care for you and show you the same love as a master shows a pet. However, your partners are not your parents, just as a master is never a dog's parent. You are not your partner's child. If you marry your partner, you are not your spouse's child. You are a fucking adult. You always will be. For us, well, we fuck around with species all the time - if you want to get really into your chosen animal's mentality, sure, go for it, but don't be infantile about it.
Posts like the one above are one of the reasons Babyfurs don't wish to come out into the public.
I thought furries are supposed to be accepting of one another.
I don't know any babyfurs that are pedophiles. Just pedophobic furs that don't understand and choose not to.
When is the last time you played with anything? You have games on your phone right? You still have childish tendencies. Everyone does. Including our government. Some people just take it further.
And in the end, even if the person is acting like a child, they are in fact an adult. It is STILL not pedophilia, and your children do not need to be hid in a bomb shelter. That is cruelty to the children anyways, like growing up in a prison.
There are a lot of preconceived notions for any activity that is,'not the norm'. Doeant matter if its furry, bdsm, gay, straight or wtfe. The way i look at it is this, if the couple/group are all legal and concenting adults, then its fine and I wont even bat an eye at it. I strongly earge people to ask questions about something before they pass judgment and/or make public posts on the subject...
We as furries really should be more open to such activities, and if its not your cup of tea, don't be an ass about it.
I'm basically summarizing the last few posts together here, but there are a two things that people are forgetting.
1. Not all babyfurs have sex.
2. We're talking about roleplay between consenting adults, not actual children or pets.
I'm also the father of three, and I have no issue with age play, baby furs or pet play. As stated before, these are all roleplay between consenting adults, so in that way they should be treated the same. (And yes, that contradicts my first post a bit.) However, the question originally was, are the two types of roleplay the same, and my answer is still no to that.
The attitude -- a widely held and incorrect attitude -- that "baby fur is bad because it is about children, but pet play is fine because it is pretend", needs to be changed. I highly encourage people to stop superficially jumping all over this thread just because "baby fur" was mentioned, and try to be more accepting of the fetishes and personal pleasures of all consenting adults. After all, jumping all over a consenting adult for misinformation is the same reason people hate furries without really understanding them.
: Felix McKline September 29, 2011, 07:54:17 -06:00
I thought furries are supposed to be accepting of one another.
True enough. I don't think it has to do with the non-social acceptance that happens in the fur community. I accept babyfurs I just don't part take in the activities because it doesn't interest me.
And yes, it is out of the norm, but us furs still accept such personalities, behavior and interest. Who said being abnormal was a bad thing?
*woof*.
: Zen September 29, 2011, 08:55:25 -06:00
I'm basically summarizing the last few posts together here, but there are a two things that people are forgetting.
1. Not all babyfurs have sex.
2. We're talking about roleplay between consenting adults, not actual children or pets.
I'm also the father of three, and I have no issue with age play, baby furs or pet play. As stated before, these are all roleplay between consenting adults, so in that way they should be treated the same. (And yes, that contradicts my first post a bit.) However, the question originally was, are the two types of roleplay the same, and my answer is still no to that.
The attitude -- a widely held and incorrect attitude -- that "baby fur is bad because it is about children, but pet play is fine because it is pretend", needs to be changed. I highly encourage people to stop superficially jumping all over this thread just because "baby fur" was mentioned, and try to be more accepting of the fetishes and personal pleasures of all consenting adults. After all, jumping all over a consenting adult for misinformation is the same reason people hate furries without really understanding them.
I totally agree! Just because I am not into ... say, playing poker - is no reason to no accept me into the furry community. I know of no activities that involve children - and if I did, I am sure theses people would have to answer to others - not me.
If I am not mistaken, RainFurrest even had a workshop of 'Baby furs' and such ... How's that for acceptance?
If you are not accepting of others and what they are 'into', then give your head a shake. We are ALL into stuff that one person or another is not 'into' ... doesn't make any of us less or more than what we are. Acceptance and understanding are the keys!
: Gizmo September 29, 2011, 04:36:06 -06:00
I totally agree! Just because I am not into ... say, playing poker - is no reason to no accept me into the furry community. I know of no activities that involve children - and if I did, I am sure theses people would have to answer to others - not me.
If I am not mistaken, RainFurrest even had a workshop of 'Baby furs' and such ... How's that for acceptance?
If you are not accepting of others and what they are 'into', then give your head a shake. We are ALL into stuff that one person or another is not 'into' ... doesn't make any of us less or more than what we are. Acceptance and understanding are the keys!
RF did have a few panels on the subject! Even had a few publically annouced room parties.
I bet there is at least one babyfur on staff of every furry convention. I know there are a few of them on staff at RF :P
I have to say, I do lean a bit more towards what Murphy has stated. Nevertheless, I do have a good level of tolerance, knowing that it's okay to have fetishes so long as no ad hominem or coercive flamethrowers are flared.
Not much I can add on to what Murphy said, which I think summed up most of my feelings on the matter more eloquently than I could have managed. xD While not trying to be deliberately incensing, I don't subscribe to the idea that furries (or anyone really, but furries seem to take this idea to the extreme sometimes) need to be universally accepting of things that they find distasteful or that make them uncomfortable.
I don't care what happens in a non-sexual setting. In that case, babyfurs - okay, a little odd, but nothing wrong with that. It's when it's sexualized that it gives me the creeping horrors.
Seeing sexual cub art, or people being intimate with cubbyfurs ... that's really, really fucking scary for me. I have too many friends who were molested as children. Children are NOT sexual in any way, shape or form, and never SHOULD be.
I guess I wasn't clear on that, because I really don't care about the cubfur lifestyle as long as it's harmless, innocent, and clean. Hell, I've drawn my own fursona as a cub before, just 'cause it's cute as fuck. I just cannot handle the idea of children, toddlers, or infants being attractive, because that is starting to lean towards pedophilia.
: MurphyErasmus September 30, 2011, 12:26:01 -06:00
Seeing sexual cub art, or people being intimate with cubbyfurs ... that's really, really fucking scary for me. I have too many friends who were molested as children. Children are NOT sexual in any way, shape or form, and never SHOULD be.
I guess I wasn't clear on that, because I really don't care about the cubfur lifestyle as long as it's harmless, innocent, and clean. Hell, I've drawn my own fursona as a cub before, just 'cause it's cute as fuck. I just cannot handle the idea of children, toddlers, or infants being attractive, because that is starting to lean towards pedophilia.
Ay, as I'd like to put it, even fetishes have standards. Once it goes past that limit, it's just....no.
: Tef September 30, 2011, 12:40:36 -06:00
Ay, as I'd like to put it, even fetishes have standards. Once it goes past that limit, it's just....no.
Be as it may, having standards and whatnot, that doesn't really matter, TONS of fetishes go over the extreme. There's a lot of people out there that don't care what other people have to say about it. But it's what the people like, we can't change that, only they can..
: Rue September 29, 2011, 06:46:40 -06:00
I don't subscribe to the idea that furries need to be universally accepting of things that they find distasteful or that make them uncomfortable.
This is a correct view and one that more furries need to get on board with.
The reason that our fandom so often has conversations revolving around opinion and viewpoints on topics is that there is a lack of personal intellectual responsibility.
People are both unwilling to make up their own mind about topics, as well as unwilling to stand behind their views in any sort of meaningful way.
Instead, the fandom tries to form a hivemind with a general consensus about what the correct view/answer is for each topic. People found not adhering to this view are seen as causing drama or as just plain being incorrect.
: Ember September 30, 2011, 09:56:06 -06:00: RueI don't subscribe to the idea that furries need to be universally accepting of things that they find distasteful or that make them uncomfortable.
This is a correct view and one that more furries need to get on board with.
I am in complete agreement.
: Ember September 30, 2011, 10:10:31 -06:00
The reason that our fandom so often has conversations revolving around opinion and viewpoints on topics is that there is a lack of personal intellectual responsibility.
Huh. Seriously.
: Ember September 30, 2011, 10:10:31 -06:00
People are both unwilling to make up their own mind about topics, as well as unwilling to stand behind their views in any sort of meaningful way.
Instead, the fandom tries to form a hivemind with a general consensus about what the correct view/answer is for each topic. People found not adhering to this view are seen as causing drama or as just plain being incorrect.
Drama? Nahhhhh; we're just talking about a topic that isn't casually discussed. A few furs here already don't like the idea of babyfurs; and a few others don't mind the idea of 'babyfurs'.
As for the unified acceptance of the fandom - wait, last time I checked, the fandom is full of diverse individuals. It is only common knowledge that the majority of furries are going to be accepting of others personal interests.
I never signed an agreement that forced me to be accepting of everyone for who they are. The majority of us are just that sort of people; accepting individuals, hence the furry culture; that weird culture that no one of the norm understands.
If anything, I don't question how the majority of furs within this fandom behave. I've met and talked to many people who have different opinions of topics such as these. I usually hear of a lot of acceptance in the community, if thats not true than I question why I am even part of the fur culture.
And of course, I just made an argument with my own opinion on the subject. I guess that makes me part of this consensus *joke joke*
I don't mind babyfurs... but if they get into sexual situations, it goes over the line for me.
Roffo: my last post was meant to be speaking generally, not about this topic in particular :)
: Ember September 30, 2011, 10:48:11 -06:00
Roffo: my last post was meant to be speaking generally, not about this topic in particular :)
(retracted, ember is still a jerk)
Seriously though, by being open minded i mean that you don't need to like what everyone else does, just dont be a dick and rain on their parade.
We can all be friends... well maybe not ember... gingers have no souls!
Mediar I know you want greatly to play this game but you need to pay your dues and learn the rules first.
Please take a seat at the kids table for a while before trying to hang with the adults. Given your views on the subject, I would wager that the kids table is where you would rather be anyways :)
lol furries
You misunderstand me Ori... Ember. You see I am not trying to pick a fight, I am just stating facts. As much i am sure having a padded seat is nice, I like being able to feel what i am sitting on. I know you foxes are similar with like feeling what going on/up your bum.
[admin]If you guys want to disagree with each other, that's fine, but stop with the personal attacks or we'll have to give out official warnings.[/admin]
I feel that cub furs havent necessarily 'moved on' or accepted growing out of being a kid/baby. Perhaps they hold so tightly to the good times and nice memories of being a child that they want to immortalize those feelings through reenactment?
I'm okay with pup-play though, I knew someone who was into it. Just people who want to temporarily become something other than human for a change in my opinion.
Derp
Well, in terms of pup-play, would calling a close friend a "pup" as a form of endearing "belittlement" be considered a bit of a pup-play in itself?
: mediar September 30, 2011, 07:12:16 -06:00
I know you foxes are similar with like feeling what going on/up your bum.
:O T_T
Another unexplored avenue of pup-play and baby-play (in general, not just in the furry fandom) is the humiliation aspect of it. Some people are just into being forced to act like an animal, or a baby. It's humiliating. And they get off on the humiliation of it more than the perceived pedophilia or zoophilia. People are WEIRD.
If anyone is curious about what I enjoy about pup play...
the fact that it is possible for me to take everything I have that is human, and become/feel like a canine. Whether it be the use of wearing pup gear or having an 'Owner'. Its all fun, of course. Reason why I enjoy it? I don't know particularly. Maybe its because I don't enjoy being human all the time; or sometimes I wish I can take away all of my human traits and just pretend to be an animal for once.
There is probably a dependence factor involved. Those who enjoy age regression are most likely appealed by the fact of having a nurturing experience because, well, maybe those babyfurs never were able to experience a positive infant-hood like that, but are now able to so it is appealing. (theory and all). A Freud perspective.
Pup play...I've always enjoyed dogs, always disliked being a human.
Btw, for those who don't know what puppy play is. Its basically when an individual pretends to be a canine.
Oh...right....
: Sikkab September 30, 2011, 06:58:37 -06:00
lol furries
silly furries.
: Roffo October 01, 2011, 10:37:47 -06:00
If anyone is curious about what I enjoy about pup play...
the fact that it is possible for me to take everything I have that is human, and become/feel like a canine. Whether it be the use of wearing pup gear or having an 'Owner'. Its all fun, of course. Reason why I enjoy it? I don't know particularly. Maybe its because I don't enjoy being human all the time; or sometimes I wish I can take away all of my human traits and just pretend to be an animal for once.
There is probably a dependence factor involved. Those who enjoy age regression are most likely appealed by the fact of having a nurturing experience because, well, maybe those babyfurs never were able to experience a positive infant-hood like that, but are now able to so it is appealing. (theory and all). A Freud perspective.
Pup play...I've always enjoyed dogs, always disliked being a human.
Btw, for those who don't know what puppy play is. Its basically when an individual pretends to be a canine.
Oh...right....
silly furries.
^_~
How come everyone wants to do pup-play and not something cool like otter-play?
Who wants to eat fish and fight crocodiles with me?
I could really go for some cat or skunk play myself... oh wait, that could be interpreted wrong.
: Unition October 01, 2011, 02:13:45 -06:00
How come everyone wants to do pup-play and not something cool like otter-play?
Who wants to eat fish and fight crocodiles with me?
'Otter Play' often turns into "who can beat who up first". I rather have a diaper!
: Felix McKline October 01, 2011, 04:34:56 -06:00
I could really go for some cat or skunk play myself... oh wait, that could be interpreted wrong.
Why not combine the two and go for some skat play? Oh...
: Unition October 01, 2011, 02:13:45 -06:00
How come everyone wants to do pup-play and not something cool like otter-play?
: mediar October 01, 2011, 06:02:16 -06:00
'Otter Play' often turns into "who can beat who up first".
I guess in a sense otter-play goes like this.
The first rule about otter-play is you don't talk about otter-play.
The second rule about otter-play is YOU DON'T talk about otter-play.
The third rule about otter-play is if someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the play is over.
The fourth rule about otter-play is two otters per play.
The fifth rule of otter-play is one play at a time.
The sixth rule of otter-play is no shoes, no shirts in the play.
The seventh rule of otter-play is the plays go on as long as they have to.
The eighth rule of otter-play is if this is your first night at otter-play, you have to play.
*scampers off to avoid angry mobs*
I digress. Would it be okay if I harvest some posts from reddit regarding this topic in a sense?
: Unition October 01, 2011, 02:13:45 -06:00
How come everyone wants to do pup-play and not something cool like otter-play?
Who wants to eat fish and fight crocodiles with me?
Can I be an honorary otter if I fight fish and eat crocodiles?
I don't want to drift too far off the original topic, but if you want to see some classic furry stuff here's a book of otter rules from the early days of the internet.
Sadly the version I have is cut off, but maybe I'll find a complete version someday :)
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THIS IS A COPY OF THE BOOK OF OTTER RULES
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0) Stop whatever you're doing and pay attention to the otter. :3 -- Warwick
1) All rules set forth here are subject to the innate chaos inherent
in otters: i.e. we get to ignore them anytime we want.
--Noctor.
2) If it's not fun, an otter won't do it.--Noctor
3) The likelihood of an otter taking an action is in direct
proportion to the general chaos it adds to the universe.--Noctor.
4) An otter has to lick at least one person's nose a day: it makes
them crosseyed which always adds chaos to the system.--Flint
5) An otter can not, at any given moment, be expected to make
sense.--Kuurn
6) A thing is either food, water, another otter, or a rock.--Warwick
7) If nobody's watching, you'll be able to get away with it.
--Warwick
8.) If someone /is/ watching, you're more than cute enough to get
away with it an yway.--Warwick.
9) What rules? And where's the food? I was told food was
involved!--Gryn
10) It is to be a given if you tell an otter _not_ to do something,
and that something has even a remote possiblity of being fun,
the otter will almost certainly do it. --Jericho
11) An otter at rest just hasn't decided what to do yet.---Waveflyer
12) One otter cannot occupy two places at once....but he/she will
certainly try to. --Waveflyer
13) If you can't nuzzle it, play with it, or bite it... pee on it. --
Gilead
14) Like, an otter is the most at home in, y'know, water! So, like
otters are th e greatest natural surfers! Fer sure! Use that
tail, man, and go fer the curl! -- Dean_Wilson (Noctor's Note:
Dean's autograph follows here.. it's not often we get gold
meadalist's signing something like this..)
16) Otters don't count so well. -- Smoke
17) As soon as they think they know the rules, change them. -- Smoke
18) If you can't win with reason, or force, baffle them with playfulness.
Any otter can confuse any non-otter that way. -- Sandy.Claws
19) Otter's Law: Anything that _can_ be played with, _will_ be played with.
-- Sandy.Claws.
20) This book is one thing, my teeth are another; Steal not the one
for fear of the otter.---Tarka
21) Otters became aware of their destiny: to belong to the playful
minority as oposed to the serious majority.---Tarka
22) When an otter begins to think first and act latter. Worry.---Tarka
23) It is a law of otter life, as certain as gravity: They love people
and play with things.---Tarka
24) We are really Otters from outer space. We can tell. By the way furs
look at us with wide-eyed wonder, that such a creature could exist,
let alone talk to them.---Tarka
25) An otter a day keeps your problems away.---Tarka
26) The true innocence of an otter is inversely proportional to how
innocent he/she looks. ---Terminotaur
27) In order to live free and happily, you must sacrifice boredom. For an
Otter this should be no difficult task -- Alpha_X-ray misquoting Richard
Bach.
28) An Otter lives for four things: 1 - To have as much fun as possible. 2 -
To baffle as many as possible. 3 - To try to lick the nose of everyone at
least once. -- Alpha_X-ray.
29) Definition of the species in one word? Otterrific! --- Diesel
30) Too much caffeine is not necessarily a bad thing. -- BrightEyes
31) There is no such thing as too much caffeine. -- BrightEyes
32) Otters obey mustelid physics. This involves a complete disregard for up
and down. - MelSkunk
33) An otter will remain in motion unless a body to wrap around intervenes. -
MelSkunk
34) An otter's force of persuasion equals flexibility x sneakiness x cuteness
/ hunger. Or sometimes x hunger. It depends. - MelSkunk
35) No energy is destroyed in an otter, but used to its fullest potential to a
power of hyperness x otter_cuteness squared / the speed of salmon.
- MelSkunk
36) There are only two kinds of otters. Live playful ones and dead s
: MurphyErasmus October 02, 2011, 04:55:14 -06:00
Can I be an honorary otter if I fight fish and eat crocodiles?
Wow...I think you can be honorary anything if you can eat crocodiles!
I'm a bit creeped out at the babyfurs that enjoy the sexual stuff with normal aged furs... BUT - It's not hurting anybody. Might be unhealthy, but if they're not hurting another and it's all purely consensual... I don't give a rats ass if you're into coprophagia at that point.
It goes over the line as soon as an underage child is actually hurt. Anything else... consenting adults. I don't need to know the details. I don't want to know the details. I don't barge into your bedroom, you don't barge into mine. /shrug
I stumbled upon this thread after a good long break from lurking.
: mediar September 29, 2011, 08:42:56 -06:00
...I strongly earge people to ask questions about something before they pass judgment and/or make public posts on the subject...We as furries really should be more open to such activities, and if its not your cup of tea, don't be an ass about it.
: Zen September 29, 2011, 08:55:25 -06:00
The attitude -- a widely held and incorrect attitude -- that "baby fur is bad because it is about children, but pet play is fine because it is pretend", needs to be changed. I highly encourage people to stop superficially jumping all over this thread just because "baby fur" was mentioned, and try to be more accepting of the fetishes and personal pleasures of all consenting adults. After all, jumping all over a consenting adult for misinformation is the same reason people hate furries without really understanding them.
I wish I could give you both a huge hug right now... What a few other posters wrote here really made me sad. Equating abdl's with pedophiles is completely inaccurate. ab/dls do
not fantasize about having sex with children. This is a fact in both the AB and DL distinctions within that community. Take a look at any of the major abdl sites and you will see that any mention of real kids gets you shunned by the community and banned by most any place worth visiting. It's a sad thing... I remember when hating of furries was the big thing. "Yiff in hell furfag" and all that nonsense. I've never been a furry, but have always supported what you all do and fought against that stupid meme of hating on furries. abdl's were too off the radar to invoke the wrath you guys used to get. To me furries have always seemed like a fun bunch of nerdy people. Like me.
: MurphyErasmus September 30, 2011, 12:26:01 -06:00
I just cannot handle the idea of children, toddlers, or infants being attractive, because that is starting to lean towards pedophilia.
That isn't leaning towards pedophilia. It
IS pedophilia. Pedophiles are to abdl's what Mr. Hands (http://"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case") is to the furry community; NOT RELATED. I don't think any of you go around fantasizing about having sex with the neighbors dog, but that's the exact same kind of comparison a few people in this thread seem to make with abdl's and pedophiles and it fucking
hurts.
I have met a few furries and babyfurs over the years. The straight-up furries all seemed to be very accepting of babyfurs from what I heard. Do they have to approve of it? Of course not. Does it sting when someone insinuates and hints that you and everyone in your community is probably a baby-rapist in wait? Absolutely. I have found the BCfurries board to be the most anti-babyfur furry community I lurk. It's a shame because I would hope this would be the best place for me to explore my "fur curiosity" and see what is going on. I kinda miss London for that. Anyway, Im not expecting to change any minds here. After all I am posting here as a guest in your house. Still, I felt I had to say
something.Thanks for reading my disjointed ramblings. I still think you guys are cool, I just don't like going to bed on a low note.
A lot of furries feel that babyfurs are piggy backing on the furry fandom because age regression role-play is so unaccepted that age regression role-players become furries because of the accepting fandom.
Babyfurs then accept the mentality of "fuck you I'm a baby fur so I'll do what I feel like" amongst a fandom that has nothing to do with age regression.
Hate it all you want, it's a fact.
: Ember October 08, 2011, 05:09:44 -06:00
A lot of furries feel that babyfurs are piggy backing on the furry fandom because age regression role-play is so unaccepted that age regression role-players become furries because of the accepting fandom.
Babyfurs then accept the mentality of "fuck you I'm a baby fur so I'll do what I feel like" amongst a fandom that has nothing to do with age regression.
Hate it all you want, it's a fact.
I don't have an issue with how accepted age-regression roleplay is within the furry community. In fact, I completely agree that any babyfurs who take it upon themselves to flaunt diapers in everyone's faces need to calm that down NOW. In the abdl community one of the top social rules is to "not include others without permission." This also applies to anyone that likes to "get caught wearing in public." That is frowned upon moreso by abdl's because it makes all of them look like socially inept assholes. There is a time and place and discretion is the key.
But all this is not what I was referring to in my post above.
What I was referring to is the few posters that equate abdl's with pedophiles. And one of the ones that went off on that rant is
going into psychology. I truly hope her opinion or career changes because she can
seriously screw up someone with that stance.
: Ember September 30, 2011, 06:40:59 -06:00
Mediar I know you want greatly to play this game but you need to pay your dues and learn the rules first.
Please take a seat at the kids table for a while before trying to hang with the adults. Given your views on the subject, I would wager that the kids table is where you would rather be anyways :)
*sits with mediar at the kids table wagging happily* i has company!!
anywho, im a cub fur, my mate is a baby fur and i laugh at what some people think "babyfurs" are and really to me people can think what they want to think and i dont care becasue i am who i am and i have my friends who are more than accepting and i dont push it on others. i dont ask my other friends to do anything for me not even papa kitty becasue i have respect for who they are and what they arent or are into. so the people who are narrow minded and can not seem to grasp the whole baby fur or cub fur thing should just ignore it but they dont need to be so critical of who we are. usually the ones who critisize us are more freaky than us but in the closet and afraid to admit it. most baby furs i know are pretty cool people that deserve to be treated how you would want to be treated yourself.
Necromancy!
[admin]This post was way out of line. If I see anything like this again the poster will be permabanned.
Content - describing sex acts between children[/admin]
: Crassadon April 22, 2012, 08:06:47 -06:00
This post was way out of line. If I see anything like this again the poster will be permabanned.
Content - describing sex acts between children
:-X :-X :-X
This is exactly what I was talking about in my post: it's such a taboo, that we can't even talk about this issue! I understand that the website owner may have issues with the police, if their site was found to contain descriptions of this nature. So I'm not upset at all. Look: my icon is half black; do you know how often my work is taken down by the authorities? Often enough, darn it >: O So I'm sort of used to it :P
For the record, I was very light on the description I'm charged with. Simply because my entry was so long, that I was just trying to be as brief as possible. I only said about a half dozen words that were specifically sexual in nature. I could'a been so much more descriptive; like, you don't even know :P
Anyway, a big point I wanted to make is that, in baby fur art, the players of the baby characters are not literally babies themselves. Babies can not actually use the internet. These characters are often actually played by adults, who are consenting, and responsible. 'No babies were harmed, in the production of this art.' It's fictional. And if adults wish to produce this art, to express how they feel about themselves, then they should not in anyway be discouraged from it. In my opinion.
[admin]It is a taboo and for good reason. What you were describing was not between adults or on the internet, and even if it was it does not belong on this forum.
I am not interested in discussing this further.[/admin]
: Unition April 22, 2012, 03:15:39 -06:00
I am not interested in discussing this further.
Well, I dun want to talk about it more, either :P