Kins ? none kins where do you fit in ( kinda a rant)

[BellaFluffyPuppy]

So im writing this for a few reasons,
at vancoufur i was told i was not a kin in a group of people by my mate actually witch was super hurt full, i need someone to explain 100% what a kin is, maybe i am not one but bella is not just a thing! i had someone say since i can wear other suits, that i cannot be kin no even sure why but i do know what ever i am! I AM A BORDER COLLIE and because i wear a different suit or dress up like some thing else that i am not to explain more on how i am a border collie i put a link below and i want people honest opions is bella just a thing, just a made up dog that means nothing really? and explaining why there has to be rules on kins and rules on furrys heck TBH i am only here to meet friends as far as dressing up as bella isnt apart of why i am here hence why i get annoyed when people are like dont talk you'll ruin the magic pfft i am in bella for me not anyone else, because i want to look in the mirror and see how i feel in my heart  see my collie in all of my beauty and honestly you can say i am a horrable fursuit but i mean it when i say i do it for no one so if it bugs you, dont talk to me heck block me if you like but were i stand with my self and my collie side is up to me and if i talk in suit or wear other things i would like for people not to express there opions on it infront of me after/ besides this post, and im not mad sad or anything more just curious ?

My link on my border collie side
http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/5705877/


PS i welcome all comments on both this post and FA
positive and negative

~bella

[Sasha]

You are absolutely right that no one can tell you who you are. Objections you get such as that often spawn from their own self reflection, or harmful thought patterns, and may not even relate directly to you. They did not know what a kin was (I assume you mean something such as otherkin? but in either case) until they learned it from someone, and their learning of the word was in their own way, which automatically differs from who they learned it from, and is certainly different from your idea of kin.

In a "Transformations 101" panel at VF if you had gone to it, explained how it this can be seen virtually identical to transgender issues, or the fact you may feel you were born the wrong gender, but more as wrong species in this case. Tools and resources can be applied across the spectrum to help you, make sense?

It certainly mixes in to some other things psychologically.. Your DNA is human after all, but as our reality simply is not quantifiable past what we can prove (in our own observations and consciousness), and those of which many cultures speak off, transforming, physical and mental shifts in to animals, spirits, spirit guides holding on to you... there is nothing saying you cannot take on, or have a feral spirit coinciding or within yourself, and maybe it can be used as a tool to teach yourself and provide a basis of comfort of who you are if you stop worrying about what others are saying. It can be a double-edged sword if you are border collie or are human taking on such a border-collie persona, that is not to be ignored. You have to have a healthy and stable basis to grow on no matter what the case and ignoring the human side you are tied down to can be harmful.

A random quote I found in a mall.. This tiger likes it:

"Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself."
- George Bernard Shaw

Tigerface.

[RainRat]

[mod]I noticed you put this in "Lower Mainland Chat"; there doesn't seem to be a regional angle to it, so you might want to move it and open the discussion to furs from more areas. If you agree, just let me know and I'll move it for you. If you really do want to keep it to "Lower Mainland Chat", I have no objection to that either.[/mod]

Also, as a friendly advice, punctuation and paragraphs help other people understand your meaning.

[BellaFluffyPuppy]

lol sorry! im not the best at doing that rainrat, and yes Tiger i ment other kin

[Drake Wingfire]

Being told you are not a kin and be a insult or a compliment depending on your standing on it *snorts*. I unfortunately have far too much experience with the good and the bad of this.  :-3

If I am correct they were referencing otherkin in the context it sounds like they were using, I can help offer a bit of insight into this kind of topic since I identify heavily as otherkin and have so for years before my actual involvement in the furry fandom, so I have been around the block and had to deal with a lot of yuppies with something to prove from both the furry side and the otherkin side. The core concept is that in ones heart and soul they believe themselves to be something different than human, we fully acknowledge that psychically we are human and that we are in the here and now of this life. But we still feel that we would be most at home as a (species here), what drives us is essentially a feeling of a deep connection to our identified species.

There are a ridiculous amount of ways one can identify as otherkin, just as many, if not more ways than one could identify as a furry. Some believe that they are animal in spirit, others believe they have a connection with their particular species but don't feel they are one themselves, even more believe that in a past life they were their species, and there are even those that believe they share a mind with their species. this is just naming a few of the more common ones.

BUT, getting to the real meat here of what you were posting about... It is often a great misfortune of being part of this group that you will now and then see the more insecure and usually younger among us trying to draw lines in the sand, telling others they are not as legit or that their beliefs are dumb, often so they can feel like they are the superior (species here). Think of it as the famous furry debate of "Fans VS Lifestylers" but with more spirituality and stronger held beliefs thrown into the mix. I do have to say that not all of us are like that... but as with any group its the louder ones among them that give the rest a bad name, there are those who tend to view the furry fandom in a bad light because of the uncomfortably close parallels the two groups share, both identify with animals on some level, both love art and any media that portrays their favorite species. It leads to a lot of overlap and discomfort for some people which makes them have to get on a soap box like that and try and make a point about how they are not a fur or someone is not a kin because they don't want to be mistaken as part of what ever group they are not a part of. Personally I am once the fence, with a fence post squarely up my ass. (which gets me a bit of flak at times from those wanting to draw lines) I deeply identify as a dragon in spirit and just could not see myself any other way, especially after how much its helped me change my life over the last 12 years, but I also do love my involvement in the furry fandom in ALL its facets. its often been my hope that I could someday be seen as an example that identifying as a Otherkin and a Furry is not the dichotomy that the extremes of both groups keep trying to make it appear as.

So in closing, don't feel upset over it for too long. Its who you are to yourself that really matters, weather you are Furry, Otherkin, Therian or even simply just here for the ride. Its all what you take from it and enjoy. ^.=.^

[Minx_raptor]

I had someone on youtube tell me my suit was not a furry, but a demon creature from hell as well as ugly and not worthy of the title of a furry. Trust me, people are stupid. The sooner you accept that fact, the happier you will be. The same person also said they don't like happy furry costumes either. So what exactly do you like? Long and short I banned the person from my channel. I asked them politely to leave my feed alone, and they didn't listen.

Seriously, let it roll off you. People don't change.

I may seem mean or a pessimist, but seriously, every chance I have given them to change my mind, it doesn't. :-3

[Rwaulie]

*offers hugs*   

That's terrible that it happened to you!  I've had it happen before too.  Its pretty upsetting when someone denies your identity or tries to put their own spin on it.

It does seem a lot of Otherkin etc types want to distance themselves from the "furry reputation" and can get very aggressive about it (works both ways too).  All the different terms mean something different to each person like Drake explained.

I don't see why the types can't mix, they bridge in to each well.  I met the furry community first, then discovered Otherkin/Therians from them

Great FA journal you wrote explaining your collie self!!

[Drake Wingfire]

*offers hugs*   

That's terrible that it happened to you!  I've had it happen before too.  Its pretty upsetting when someone denies your identity or tries to put their own spin on it.

It does seem a lot of Otherkin etc types want to distance themselves from the "furry reputation" and can get very aggressive about it (works both ways too).  All the different terms mean something different to each person like Drake explained.

I don't see why the types can't mix, they bridge in to each well.  I met the furry community first, then discovered Otherkin/Therians from them

Great FA journal you wrote explaining your collie self!!

When it comes to the view points of the extreme types.... Some Otherkin view Furries as just over sexed role-players lacking a deeper sense connection to their species, their species often going off of what the majority thinks is the most cute/ sexy/ popular at the time. So shortly summed up, superficial and flaky in their identity.

Some Furries in turn view Otherkin as people who take themselves way too seriously and just need to actually learn to enjoy themselves and get off their high horses and trumped up complexes and realize just because you believe yourself to be a dragon/wolf/faerie etc doesn't mean everything has to be serious business and that ones spirituality is not the end all and be all of ones value as an individual.

/disclaimer/ This of course is just the more common kind of gripes I have heard first person and of course doesn't reflect the mindset of either group as a whole. Even for me personally I while I  have things I like about each group, I just cannot make excuses up even for my own kind or pretend some things don't exist.

[kohl]

Did not read...mind hurts...words...incomprehensible

BIRD! :birdy:

[zadow sunfire]

If someone tells you that you are not a therian/otherkin then they truly don't know the definitions of the words
It is a believe that your s

[zadow sunfire]

Soul or body or other form or conscious thought is not fully human and shares traits and actions of another species this is not just for animals I have met demon and vampire otherkin (though being around them I realized they kinda lost they're marbles) I am a fox therian I feel like my spirit is not fully human and if someone says your not a border collie in spirit they clearly don't know the definition
Sorry for the short comment before I hit the reply button by accident

[BellaFluffyPuppy]

well thanks everyone :3 ! made me feel alot betta  :gay: thanks  :)

[Sasha]

well thanks everyone :3 ! made me feel alot betta  :gay: thanks  :)

Purrr. It is what a community is for this silly feline thinks.. we must help one another..

Tigerface.