Uninvited minors that just show up to 19+ events

[tokar]

kitten   it would not be the community watching him. it would be the one that volunteers to be his handler** for the event.  but that won't matter for awhile as he has said he is taking a sabbatical away from furry events.  i think that by the time he returns he will have reached his 19th b'day making him able to attend the 19+ events but he still has to still to "repay his debt to the fur community."
he knows it will take time to regain the respect that has been lost.

**handler .... person with him but not a .... sitter. 

[Tef]

Aye, Tokar, you have a point. It wouldn't make sense for him to come back and get back to his own self once he turns 19. In the end, once you isolate the age from legal implications...you get a number, just a statistical number.

After all, one can be 19, and still act like a total juvenile...but this will be a digressive topic as a side-order to this discussion at hand.

[Kitten]

kitten   it would not be the community watching him. it would be the one that volunteers to be his handler** for the event.  but that won't matter for awhile as he has said he is taking a sabbatical away from furry events.  i think that by the time he returns he will have reached his 19th b'day making him able to attend the 19+ events but he still has to still to "repay his debt to the fur community."
he knows it will take time to regain the respect that has been lost.

**handler .... person with him but not a .... sitter. 

Fine let's use the term escort. If a person needs an escort to be with them to ensure thst they are not doing stupid things then even if the person is over 19 they should still not be allowed at pro-alcohol meets/events. I also don't think that is is right to ask the person bringing them to watch over them. That means that they will start attending events with out an escort. What then? Should they be asked to leave because they don't have their "buddy" there to watch them?

If they need a "escort, handler or party buddy" then they should not be attending a pro-alcohol event NO MATTER HOW OLD THEY ARE. If you need to be watched then you shouldn't be near alcohol. period. end of story.

[Temrin]

Again, i agree with Kitten.

Its not fair to ask someone to watch over them. Even if they volunteer.
As well, if they aren't responsable enough and need someone to make sure they aren't doing stupid things, then they just shouldn't be going. -.-'

The "escort" cannot watch over a person every moment. Not to mention, in the hussle and bussle of most meets, its VERY easy to loose someone in a crowd of people. So what then? Is it the volunteers fault if the other person does something stupid? Even then, the "community" would have to watch him and make sure he's with his escort and if he's not, then to keep an eye on said person because they arent with said handler. So others would most likely still get dragged into this. Tokar, you said the handler isnt going to babysit this person. So whats the point of having this handler around anyways? They arent -sitting- so therefore the person can still do what they were doing before. And what? the handler is just going to slap their wrist if they do something out of line? Like, i dont see the point of a handler if its not to babysit. -shrugs-. The point is to be watching said person and preventing them from doing the things they were doing before. If you arent babysitting, you arent really preventing. You just might happen to see them do something and tell them to stop it. Where do you draw the line? if they do something they shouldnt be, I would want the handler to take them home. But then, how is that fair to the handler? Its not. plain and simple. But if you let them stay around, the message isnt going to really get across that they need to stop.

So yeah. Some clarification would be nice. because i dont see the point of a handler if its not to hand hold this person and babysit them. -shrugs-

[Choco]

I agree with both Temrin and Kitten as I was trying to say before

    It's not fair to have someone watch a person through an entire event because that person would most likely not have any fun and with a crowd it is hard to keep a constant eye on the person the "escort" would be watching over. The idea of the "escort" is to prevent these things from happening but what if it continues what then? does the "handler" just give a slap on the wrist?. I know I wouldn't feel comfortable bringing alcohol considering how expensive some of it can be to events like that but I'm not sure about the rest of you in this sort of scenario.

    as I said before if a person can't control themselves over other people's alcohol especially when they are under aged which puts not only the host but everyone else at the event at risk if the police decide to show up which is certainly something that could happen if something gets out of hand. To put it simple they should not attend a 19+ event with or without one unless they are accountable for their own actions end of story.

I don't even know why we are still going on about this

[Temrin]

I don't even know why we are still going on about this

This :/
The outcome of bringing said person in with a handler could end up just as bad as before. This person needs to grow up, physically and mentally, before coming to 19+ events. A handler, and the people at the meet should not have to watch this person or be responsible for them. They are responsible for themselves and if they cannot be, and put the people around them in possible trouble with authorities (not to mention possibly taking wheat does not belong to them) then they should not show up, period. I understand the want to still join in on the -fun- of the 19+ meetups but -good- fun can only happen when being responsible. There are plenty of non alcoholic events and if they can handle themselves there, then they can, by all means, go to those. It does not take alcohol to make a night fun and worthwhile.

nuff said. This situation is why i hated hosting meets at Furholmes and why i host private get togethers now. :/ You never know who's going to do something stupid.