People who deserve more

[Zen]

Just because it's the way things are doesn't mean it's right. Slave labourers at Foxconn help bring in billions of dollars for the company. So does that mean each of the thousands of workers there deserved fat multi-million dollar cheques? The attitude that "it's economics" or "that's the way it is" is one of the reasons that big business have gotten away with their crimes for so long. (One of many, many reasons.) A good physician should be paid far more than someone who spends his day throwing a ball in a hole, but sadly, it will never be that way because people just accept it.

[Icey Dominus]

People who are actors or play sports are paid so much because they bring in a lot of money- they are a product being sold.

Dishwashers are not paid much because although it is a hard job, it is a mindless unskilled job that anyone can do. Further, if people like dishwashers were paid more then the cost of their wages would be handed down the chain. Your complaint would then be "Why are restaurant meals so expensive?!"

Minimum wage really should be higher, but minimum wage jobs are shitty jobs. I think that the real problem is that certain jobs shouldn't be minimum wage jobs in the first place.

I do see what you are saying Ember, basically a EMT or Cop OR Firefighter generate no revenue in there job they are just a essential services that is payed by taxes and for them to get paid more we need to pay more I get that. BUT the astronomical amount that a sports star makes or movie star makes is ludicrous look at Charlie Shean for example at one point that man was making approximately 22 million a season. I know him being on the show brought in the money for all the other people crew, security, rentals, set, lights and all that, but how much of his 22 million payed any of those people not a cent. And Drake I see where you are coming from as well with you wanting to know for a fact that the people flying your plane or cooking your food is concentrating on there job not how they are going to put food on there table. Interestingly you sound like Michael Moore in that aspect who incidentally has a hard on for Canada. Watch (Capitalism a love story) I KNOW he is extremely prejudice and one sided BUT he still makes some interesting points. As for the Occupy people I believe only about a third of the people there could actually tell you a legit reason to be there sadly a large amount where just homeless people who saw it as a opportunity.
Ember again I also see what you mean with the paying a dish washer more just brings up cost no one else wants to pay okay yes but my main point with being a dish washer is you still get treated like you aren't worth the gum on the street just because you are a dish washer hell anyone that can do that job for any amount of real time I have respect for. I think you will find real chefs will have a high respect for there dish washers especially at expensive small restaurants. They know that is that dish washer walks out things will start to fall apart.
Thank you  :-3

[Drake Wingfire]

I actually did see that movie of his and I honest agree with him. The lack of a decent wage and respect for some of society's most relied upon services is just horribly disgusting. Would like to see a week where every "no body" just walked off their poverty wage job, almost all stores would be up shit creek without even a boat, forget the paddle lol.

[Carthage]

I think you will find real chefs will have a high respect for there dish washers especially at expensive small restaurants. They know that is that dish washer walks out things will start to fall apart.
Thank you  :-3

Dishwashers are treated one of two ways:

They are respected/revered for their patience and determination. This leads to more responsibilities and eventually a promotion to doing prep in the kitchen. One day someone doesn't show up for their shift, and they get asked to stay late and work the line. This leads to a full time job on the line where they work their way through all the stations and eventually move on to other restaurants and a fantastic career in the food industry.

Or...

They are treated like shit.

Either way, if you're willing to wash dishes for minimum wage and not complain about it, you can pretty much walk in to any restaurant in the world and have a job. You don't even need to speak the language. That unfortunately tends to be the problem in the lower mainland. Many restaurants will hire new immigrants at minimum wage because they'll work it, and any language barrier is almost irrelevant.

[kohl]

Just keep a positive attitude when working lower line jobs. Just because you're on a lower rung doesn't mean you don't represent the company. Putting effort into your job and getting noticed will usually lead to better things. If not, then you're most likely in a dead end career and should be either looking for a better job or getting educated at the same time.

An actor gets paid for keeping a certain appearance, reputation, and health. I image they just get paid per gig. No retirement funding. I've met firefighters that work for half there life then go on easy street. Being able to stay home while still getting paid enough to buy new trucks, new boats, go on vacations. All without ever having to work again.

[Tef]

Dishwashers are treated one of two ways:

They are respected/revered for their patience and determination. This leads to more responsibilities and eventually a promotion to doing prep in the kitchen. One day someone doesn't show up for their shift, and they get asked to stay late and work the line. This leads to a full time job on the line where they work their way through all the stations and eventually move on to other restaurants and a fantastic career in the food industry.

Or...

They are treated like shit.

Either way, if you're willing to wash dishes for minimum wage and not complain about it, you can pretty much walk in to any restaurant in the world and have a job. You don't even need to speak the language. That unfortunately tends to be the problem in the lower mainland. Many restaurants will hire new immigrants at minimum wage because they'll work it, and any language barrier is almost irrelevant.

Hm...I'm completing my major and minor in a year and a half's time and my part time job on campus is a dishwasher at Vanier's.

Hm, now that we're talking about this subject, I'd like to spend a moment to bring up something I eyed upon in Reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/n5j6m/one_of_the_most_underappreciated_jobs_in_the/

[Icey Dominus]

Ahhh yes I kept on meaning to mention the garbage man but in a ironic way I cept forgetting about thme

[Selkit]

Economics aside, the modern world can do without a man running around on grass while carrying a chunk of inflated vinyl. It can't do without the man who removes trash or unblocks sewers.

[Ember]

And the world can do without paintings. And music. And parades. And nice clothes.

But people like those things. So we have them anyways.

Don't be dumb.

[Drake Wingfire]

And the world can do without paintings. And music. And parades. And nice clothes.

But people like those things. So we have them anyways.

Don't be dumb.

Artistic expression seldom pays anything remotely even decent unless you buddy up with some corporation who is gonna take a majority of your earnings anywho. Kinda like the old music pirating argument, the actual artist doing the work gets meh cash unless they are famous, its the producing company that gets the windfall profits.

Clothes is debatable seeing as shit is either mass manufactured or its sweat shop work meaning the profits once more go to some desk jockey with a 5- 6 figure income. Besides, clothes are a necessity, throwing a ball isnt.

Last I checked with parades they were funded by organizations and city councils and any profit they do bring in is usually charity. Even though they are fun, they are not done with massive profits as the goal, at least not for the individual to pocket.

Sports stars though, even after their agents get their juicy cut, get a massive paycheck that even many businesses would never dream to see. One mans/ womans salary for playing sports can easily trump a medium sized business or even those small- medium business chains that's the disconnect that I think Icey was also getting at in his original post.

[Ember]

Sports stars and actors attract people to spend money. That money funds the whole rest of the industry. That industry supplies thousands of jobs. They are rewarded financially for creating an entire industry that wouldn't exist if they didn't.

A sports star or an actor does much much more for the common good than one police officer, or one fireman. They are responsible for keeping thousands of people employed. They are rewarded for this.

[H u nn Y]

(I may regret posting this lol, but I might as well just throw this in. And you don't have to agree with me on any of what I'm about to say, I just want to throw in my own opinion on the topic. Also sorry for my shitty grammar or wording. I may or may not make sense, but I'll try my best. x3)

Think of it this way:

Actors and sports stars, celebrities in general, provide us with day to day entertainment, whether it comes from a CD, a radio, a computer, a TV, or in person. A police officer, a fire fighter ands ambulance paramedics equally do the same but in a different way. They do things for our safety and our well beings as humans. Without them so much more things would happen and half the population would be gone by now. For instance,  fire fighters will put out fires and run in to a burning building, risking their own lives to save ours. Without paramedics people wouldn't be able to make it to the hospital with assistance, considering the fact that inside the vehicles they have a small but good amount of medical equipment. Without police officers, our streets wouldn't be as somewhat safe as they are nowadays. I'm not saying our streets are safe, I can admit things still happen, but that's why cops are there. To help in most situations where lives could be at danger. Without all this, the common good wouldn't be safe. Doctors and nurses are another essential thing, because in hospitals and care centres people need their medical expertise, and it helps us get through our days. Whether it be curing the common cold or trying to find a cure for cancer. Sure it may take a while, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Pharmacists provide us with medicine and antibiotics, without them we we wouldn't get better from every day sicknesses to long term illnesses. Bus drivers, if they never existed, those with vehicles could never go out and have fun on a day to day basis. Not many people can afford cars nowadays and a lot of people are turning to greener alternatives like walking or taking a bus. Though in this case, I don't think people would want to walk a certain distance if it's too far, hence why we have buses with bus drivers. Chefs and servers and dishwashers all work together to maintain a well balanced restaurant. Without any of these components, the restaurant itself could crash and burn, in the sense that the business won't continue without the proper staff to keep it running properly. Without restaurants, big events wouldn't have very many places to hold their events at, and people wouldn't be able to celebrate special occasions and enjoy a delicious meal while enjoying each others company. People employed in hotels, whether they be maids or concierge, without them, people like travellers whether they be foreign or someone local, or even a celebrity, without them we'd have no where to stay if need be. These things could be anywhere between a family reunion, visiting a tourist attraction, going on vacation, a honey moon, a movie premier, or even a convention. This is just a small list of things that factor in our daily lives, and without them where would we be? Sure, celebrities are a nice thing to have nowadays, but without the rest we'd practically be nothing.

Just my little opinion on this topic~ Okay, bye 4 nao! ^_^

[Drake Wingfire]

Sports stars and actors attract people to spend money. That money funds the whole rest of the industry. That industry supplies thousands of jobs. They are rewarded financially for creating an entire industry that wouldn't exist if they didn't.

A sports star or an actor does much much more for the common good than one police officer, or one fireman. They are responsible for keeping thousands of people employed. They are rewarded for this.

Funny thing about that though, without them, those jobs would not evaporate, no single corporation places all their success on one over glorified human. The world hasn't ended when we lost Micheal Jackson, It did not end when we lost John Candy, nor Elvis. To say these people are the reason many jobs exist is giving them a grotesque amount of credit. Saying they are more important than someone who can and most likely has saved a life  seems utterly absurd. Lets see a celebrity deal with hostile situations, accidents, or simply knowing how to do any essential function of society... People who make celebrity merchandise or use celebrities to sell their crap just don't suddenly go bankrupt without them. This what we call diversification.

I wont lie, I do like some celebrities, namely movie ones cause they are ones to actually entertain me. But I never glorify them as the foundation of our society as a person to be looked up to as if they are a demi-god. That kinda thinking is why the world is how it is today and why we have this disconnect where the more essential you are to the core function of society, the worse you are treated simply cause you are not some household name who has made a career out of having a sports/ acting talent (acting being a talent just like professional driving, programing, making GOOD tasting food or having vast medical knowledge is, just because one leads to fame doesn't mean its more essential) or to be more honest with today's entertainment and TV "metaphorically jerking off on camera and acting like an average douche bag" Anyone can do that.

[Selkit]

A thousand jobs lost is tragic, Ember, but a non-functional sewage system is mass cholera,, hookworm and other wonderful, often fatal or crippling things waiting to happen. I'd say the economic value of preventing that is pretty high, if you want to boil it right down to economic figures and completely ignore the human impact that people wading in shit get paid shit for the shit they prevent. Simply put, for the actual societal value they generate, celebrities, are overpaid, and sewage workers are underpaid.

[Renwaldo]

I always thought plumbers have a pretty good wage, don't they?

Perhaps not when compared to celebrity entertainers of course but they still make pretty good money.