Assaulted Unprovoked At Edmonds Station By Gaybashers!

[lunar_prodigy]

Assaulted Unprovoked At Edmonds Station By Gaybashers!

I was nearly assaulted tonight by some tough guy pissants who decided to go out of their way to gaybash me but it didn't stop at verbal abuse, the bastards aggressively followed me intent to beat me up, I was lucky i escaped.

I feel public transit is safe in Vancouver because I have lived here 4 years and this is the first time I actually felt endangered. Verbal abuse often is harmless if you ignore it but on a buss you are in close proximity to someone. You try to hold onto hope that you are safe while around a bus driver security cameras and panic buttons but  a lot of damage can be done and people can run away before being caught. This is the essence of hate crimes. The funny thing is that I'm very straight minded and am aware of my behavior. In most public transit I either am silent, listening to music or on the phone.  Being called GAY is no different than any other word. Its more a popular way for men to abuse other men who are not tough or who are a bit different or more femine or sensitive. None of these things make someone weak but there's a taboo in this current society in which men fear these qualities so much in other men that they AUTOMATICALLY MUST BE GAY because of them.  
    Apparently I got the predators attention because " the way I talked on the phone to lope" I wasn't acting gay, sounding gay or talking about anything gay.  However I have a higher tone and am very social and show personality and passion in the way I talk to people. Apparently this makes me gay? How stupid is this really? What's worse is the female get dragged into this. I bet you didn't connect the two but men that act "famine" = gay. That means that every time a guy gets called gay " regardless of if he is or not" its insulting to women as well because these tough guy assholes are saying is "women are weak so men that act like women are gay. It not only is that they target weakness they see in men, its that these slobs see all women as weak. This personally disgusts me as a lot of my family are strong women.


(ASSAULT STORY BELOW)

I was minding my own business when a pissant and his friends sitting close to me grabs my shoulder while I'm on the phecone.  Most people aren't used to such aggressive moves unless we are about to be punched.  He then rudely goes " ARE YOU GAY" I was so disgusted and caught off guard that my disgust just made them all laugh. Personally I hate it when gay guys have to pretend they are straight; but its even worse when a straight guy is targeted because someone thinks they are gay.  Its one thing when you actually know if they are gay or not, its another to point at someone and judge them as deserving abuse because THEY decide you are gay.

So I respond with :" NO" and pretty much just gave him a reaction like he was a compete prick .  I start trying to continue talking to lope when he nearly grabs the phone from my hand and says "WHY IS THAT YOUR GIRLFRIEND YOUR TALKING TO" .  I said " no"  to which he got obnoxiously close to my face, enough for me to smell his breath and be spat on by his words.  And he made a funny face as goes "FAGGOT!!" .

I was in such a WTF moment as who expects the random strangers next to you to act like this.  I didn't know what I was more offended by. Whether it was his assumption that any guy who "emotes with expression in his voice or has a higher tone of voice" is a inferior girly and gay; Or the actual fag remark itself which is reaching the point of the famous N word in terms of race hate crimes. See in my fantasy I beat the shit out of him saying " that's our word you don't get to use it" ha ha.  I think actually what offend me was not what he said but how he said it. . His aggressive high school bully behavior from a grown man ( though I am likely 7 years older than him so makes me want to go back in time and beat his ass down 12th grade to 5th grade). I was pissed off. I had a violent upbringing and have managed my anger well.  Though, I had to resist the urge to grab his head and slam it hard against the side of the rail. If he was alone I just may have done that ... may. My wildest revenge fantasy has me knocking him to the ground and crushing his balls saying " this faggot just ensured you wont be breeding anymore hate".

Such assholes never expect someone to fight back so fiercely with violence and would never expect it from a weak target. The problem is he was in a group of people that were equally ready to beat the shit out of me, and I am a smart person so I just walked away.  If you talk back they make it personally a point to be aggressive. If you walk away they get in their good laugh as gods of the universe and usually it stops there.

I am sure we all have little ego fantasies but reality is fights never go the way we expect and they aren't like tv. It doesn't take much to get someone to go down to the ground. Only people that have been in a real fight know well enough to avoid it as they likely cant win. Taking one a group of people is suicide and once you are down you get mutilated. Being shot and stabbed is always a worry but even being punched and kicked or hit with objects while on the ground has gotten people killed or irreversible injuries for the rest of their life. Its hard to feel safe even on a bus or in a crowd when it only takes a few good swings to knock out a few teeth or land you in the hospital and only  takes a few minutes to run before any cop shows up to catch it. Prevention of violence is the best answer. There are no legal defensive weapons in Canada. If it was legal id carry a collapsible baton always but if I could get one, then people like this intent to cause trouble would have weapons concealed too.  

SO what would you do if you tried to walk away, did not say a thing, and they followed you regardless??
Why was this different from any other verbal abuse and why am I talking about it here?  Because I did nothing to aggravate the situation and the fucker actually followed me.  This is where things got dangerous and I had to think fast on my feet.

Originally I went to the front of the buss before the disrespect got so big they tried to grab me or spit on me. No come backs no cheap shots, I just left.  The fucker wasn't done with me yet. He got up and followed me. I could have said something to the buss driver but he cant stop a fight and wont get involved. The aggressive asshole waited patiently for me to get off once we arrived at the station. Normally I wouldn't show fear only I knew 5 of his buddies were at the back ready to jump off and beat the shit out of me. If I said anything to the driver I may get few punches to my face, kicked or property stolen and they would run off before security could get there. Looking back I realized while the buss was moving he was trapped on it so I should have just asked for security, if it ever happens again next time I will.

There were around 20 people at the skytrain station buss loop , safety in numbers I thought. Stepping off he followed me and I realized he would be satisfied with a few punches after all and he was not timid by the crowd. I couldn't wait in the group safely so I decided to get to the skytrain fast. The fucker followed me behind ready to jump me.. completely unprovoked, I guess he didn't like that I walked away and wanted to get more out of me. This made it clear he would not leave me alone so I used the crowd to my advantage. At the waiting platform there were not much people and not a skytrain cop when you need one. I knew I couldn't wait for a train or id be surrounded but I saw one just pulling in. THANK GOD FOR TIMING. Usually there is a good 4 minute wait. But I knew there were also panic buttons and security cameras. But security cameras... still cameras are great but they aren't a magic shield against avoiding injury.  I didn't want to get hurt period.

Lucky for me my strategy worked, my trip through the crowd of 20 people made the assholes in the back of the buss loose sight of me. I herd them yell out " HEY WHERE DID THAT GAY FAGGOT GO". At that point I made a dash to the skytrain and they saw me . looked like I was just running to catch the train but when I got to it and turned I looked back to see all of them following me. I walked up to the front most car and the moment I got in the door closed. If they had of got on the same car I would have immediately pressed the yellow button and security would have been called immediately.  Thankfully They didn't catch the same car because the doors closed after me.

With the way they stalked me like a pack of hungry wolves they were intent to beat the living shit outa me for no reason other than they decided by observation alone that I was gay and worthy of a beating. Its not like this was a bad neighborhood it was Edmonds station. If it was it would have been dead quiet and  I would have ended up in the hospital. Completely unprovoked. All I did was get grabbed , asked if I was gay, if it was my girlfriend, called a faggot. Then without any verbal comeback I just left their company and was aggressively followed.

I guess I always imagined the gay hate crime attacks I read about in the papers only happen to people who are outwardly flamboyantly gay. I guess anyone's a target the second they open their mouths.

[Van_Fox]

A few questions:
1. Have you filed a police report yet?
2. Will you file a police report?
3. What time was it?
4. Did you do anything before hand that would have given them the idea they think you are gay?
5. Did they look anything like this?


Btw, Im really sorry and thankful you got out, I was actually going on transit this weekend and now im scared lol.

[lunar_prodigy]

1) no
2) no point, i work at a hotels for 5 years with unruly guests in the middle of the night... i know well what the cops can and cant do and that most don't give a shit until someone ends up hospitalized. they dont even show up unless there is a suspect. i have had people at the hotel break windows property and even get violent with me and the cops don't even show unless they are still on property by the time they would get there.  in short if there's no cops around, nothing happens so all people can do ( if they cant carry legal defensive weapons like in USA) is think smart to defend themselves.
3) 106 bus at aprox 1030 Wednesday feb 16th... why?
4)nothing at all but be talking on the phone about i think bowling or something i cant recall but it wasn't what i said, it clearly was a target based on tone of voice , and talking with expression. meaning i was being singled out as "not manly enough" so therefor... logically im a gay faggot..... makes perfect sense...... or bloody none at all.. lol
5) no but im curious why the shot in the dark. whoever these people are were they on some kinda police issue or people you know? its a rather specific buss route and time so it would be a huge coincidence but all white trash looks the same to me ( referring to the buss not the photo)

[Van_Fox]

3) Pm? I ask because if it was that late at night, it makes sense. Something like that wouldnt likely happen in daylight in a crowd.
5) Not those douches in the picture persay, just asking if they dressed and looked sorta like them. Usually those kind of people or "wiggers" pick on homosexuals.

[Masozi]

 Some of you might be reading this thinking that it could possibly be an over reaction on the part of the OP, not in this case.

I can say for the record that I was on the other end of the phone when I heard the incident happen. Although the audio quality over said phone wasn't the best I did hear most of the exchange between the aggressor and Lunar as it happened. I heard words exchanged by both parties as the incident unfolded and can attest to the accuracy of this story.  During the phone call I could hear the guys on the bus in the background because they were loud and obnoxious, I had a feeling something unpleasant might happen.  I grew up around brainless thuggish individuals like the gay bashers in this account and for the most part can pick out trouble makers pretty easily. Once parties like this are spotted and identified then its a question of employing evasion and avoidance tactics to lessen potential confrontation.  On a bus that is harder to do because its a rolling bad neighborhood with limited places to go to put distance between yourself and an agressor/s. I can tell all who are reading this that these guys sounded like they were out looking for trouble, they probably found another victim later on and I hope they got away as well.  

If your cell phone has a camera (with decent sound quality) you could collect evidence by recording what is going on as it happens, (preferably without the aggressor/s knowing.)
If one is being followed to the front of the bus by a bad guy/s then you get the driver's attention and get the police involved because this could potentially have ended much worse than it did.
If they follow you on to sky train then you should call security immediately, get the word out to them that a group of thugs is on the system cruising for assault victims.

A report to police, transit police should be made -  Even if the guys won't be caught right away there will be a file opened, (hopefully the cops will at least take this seriously enough to open an incident file). These guys sound like they will do it again and any previous reports add up to character profiles with a previous history for law enforcement etc. to go on should they be charged in a related offense. If you have to resort to physical confrontation then you better have a plan or know what you are doing. Just remember that once you get physical the problem you could run into would be an assault situation. The police could hold you as responsible as the aggressor/s in the situation and that you must decide whether it is worth the long term (possibly legal) trouble. If the guy attacks then you must proceed to defend yourself. The criminal code does have a self defense provision provided that minimal force is used during the commission of a self defense act.

Hopefully this won't happen again but you might want to keep an eye out for these guys over the next week, especially next Wednesday, (in case this was a weekly outing for them.)

[furrybmxer]

I brok some ones nose for something similar hi have a compleat bilateral cleft lip and palet an he was making fun of the way I was talking and stuttering and calling me a freek and suck there were teacher right ther in ear shot and weren't doing a thing I tried to walk away he was 6' and built probably had a good 100lbs on me I had enough and I don't tack getting called a freek so I turns and groped him with 2 hits one to the croch to get him low enough and a punch to the face giving him a condition and broken nose I may have over reacted but he still needed to be roughy a leson his mom wanted to press charges but there were security camras. And about 20 witness's on my side so the police said self defense and everything was droped and the teacher watching were fired or i think I never saw them again

[Wyrd-Hotd]

I'm so glad your ok.... This type of thing REALLY P***** me off! I can believe the stupid ignorance And hate that people have! I put up with that crap all throughout highschool And its NOT fun, and extremely wrong! God I hate general populas!

[Ember]

Holy shit Lunar and furrybmxer. Learn how to write  x.x

[furrybmxer]

Holy shit Lunar and furrybmxer. Learn how to write  x.x

sorry I'm typing on a broken iPhone with a broken screen  and can't see half what I write  lol not fomenting I can't spell ether lol I saw nothing wrong with lunars weighting

[Van_Fox]

Please do not feed the troll.
This is serious.

[Temrin]

Please do not feed the troll.
This is serious.

Agreed. Trolling and feeding of it, is not necessary.

Lunar, I'm glad your alright. Albeit a little mentally scuffed but i'm glad things turned out possitively for you that night.
-Shakes head-
People that do shit like this, makes me ashamed to be human. Humans are flawed, but that doesn't mean we need to play into the broken society. :/

[lunar_prodigy]

3) Pm? I ask because if it was that late at night, it makes sense. Something like that wouldnt likely happen in daylight in a crowd.
5) Not those douches in the picture persay, just asking if they dressed and looked sorta like them. Usually those kind of people or "wiggers" pick on homosexuals.

ha ha ha ha right on both counts ^_^ ~wolf wags and hugs~

[Brittany-shadowwolf]

Oh man, Really glad your safe!
This shouldn't even exist. I think you should file some sort of report against them or something.
It will probably happen again with them being out there on the loose.
Were they under the influence of alcohol or dugs?

~~Shadowwolf

[lunar_prodigy]

Some of you might be reading this thinking that it could possibly be an over reaction on the part of the OP, not in this case.

I can say for the record that I was on the other end of the phone when I heard the incident happen.

I actually didnt think anything was going to happen once i got off the buss as there was 20 people around and i guess i felt saftey in numbers. it must have been odd on your end of the call cause im talking to you and suddenly you hear them cuss and me go silent, then i tried to talk again to you but its not like i could say what was happening infront of them or they would target me more. you probally herd me say the words " no" twice in a row, then when i walked to the front i started trying to talk again but because the fucker followed me i coulndt talk much of what was happening soi went silent again , then i got off the buss confident i had the privace to at least mutter quietly what was occuring but then they shout out " where the faggot go"? to which i had to go dead again and make a sprint to the train to get away from them but when i saw they were following me i made a dash up the platform to the front car and the doors closed behind me. i was rather jittery for the ten minutes that followed. i was worried that they would jump cars up to confront me at the next stop. Ive had troublemakers actually follow me before

If your cell phone has a camera (with decent sound quality) you could collect evidence by recording what is going on as it happens, (preferably without the aggressor/s knowing.)
If one is being followed to the front of the bus by a bad guy/s then you get the driver's attention and get the police involved because this could potentially have ended much worse than it did.
If they follow you on to sky train then you should call security immediately, get the word out to them that a group of thugs is on the system cruising for assault victims.

unfortunately i cant use my phone camera while im using it, in fact ive never even used the shitty camera and i doubt it records audio. usually even if you were prepared enough , you never are in the right place and time to get evidence , evidence dose not prevent you from the hospital visit, and the last thing on your mind is to press record, your keeping sharp in case a punch flies at you at random. but your right, walking way, best strategy, its what i did. as for buss driver, i was annoyed at his intimidation tactic but i didnt want to appear like a wuss and i wanst afraid of him, i was afraid of his group , and i felt safe cause there were 20 people at the station. the moment i realized i made a mistake was when i got off the buss and they yelled at from the back exit WHERE DID THAT FAG GO. then i knew a crowd wasnt going to detour them. i made a mistake of trying to get to the platform but was lucky a train timed perfectly for me... a train thats normally 4 minutes late. the problem with fear is i was so focused on the fact that there was no cop and the platform was deserted, i was so focused on avoiding a circle beating on a deserted platform. i failed to remember that not just skytrains have panic buttons but the platforms do too.

as for cops.. because of your reply here, made me feel i should report it so i just did. thanks. they said they should have video footage which may be good for evidence if any other incidents occurred that night or in future/past. i was angry not afraid but i had to be smart so i got outa there before i got hurt, but only realized my mistake the moment they shouted out in a crowd they were looking for me, which proved my assumption i was safe in a crowd, as wrong. my only defense was to keep walking and create a distance between us.



Thanks for all your support ~Hugs~ you truly are one of my best friends on earth ^^

I brok some ones nose for something similar hi have a compleat bilateral cleft lip and palet an he was making fun of the way I was talking and stuttering and calling me a freek and suck there were teacher right ther in ear shot and weren't doing a thing I tried to walk away he was 6' and built probably had a good 100lbs on me I had enough and I don't tack getting called a freek so I turns and groped him with 2 hits one to the croch to get him low enough and a punch to the face giving him a condition and broken nose I may have over reacted but he still needed to be roughy a leson his mom wanted to press charges but there were security camras. And about 20 witness's on my side so the police said self defense and everything was droped and the teacher watching were fired or i think I never saw them again

well biggest problem with violence is once the wound is opened, you bleed to death. pardon the pun.
meaning that once you act violent then you get attacked back. its not about who wins the fight, or who takes teh first swing. usual punching first is legal mess regardless of what he said. but i did all i coudl to avoid any violence because i detest it. its not that im weak, its that ive been in too many fights and ive learned to avoid them. i used to have a spot on my head where i got a concussion from a rock as a kid. i say used to because with my hair loss at 27, the small bald mark has turned into one giant ball spot lol.  many many scars, have a scar on my knuckle from a knife  slash among other things. every time something angers me.. theres a part of me that wants to get violent, silencing it and never acting on that rage is the only way i was able to make peace with myself. sure its made me a little frazzled at time and a few veins pop out viable on my head when im angry but im never violent and im proud of it.

at any rate though lack of violent retaliation aside, it dosent mean that i stood a chance six to one, thats called giving them an excuse to cream me to a pulp which i wasnt about ready to give them one. What turned this from verbal abuse to intent to cause assault was when they stalked me and made it verbally apparent they were after me. Its amazing how they target me merely for the sound of my voice, i ignore their behavior by replying simply " no" twice in a row, i move away from them, dont give them satisfaction of a reply, dialogue and still they want something outta me and make it a mission to get it . My point is , imagine how bad it could have got if i hadnt of been so evasive, alot worse i fear. I only saw how aggressive they were after i got off the buss, if i had of angered them with sarcasm i would have been jumped or had them possibly get in a nasty situation where they may identify me by what i wear and try and jump me in the future unexpected. avoidance is the best way , just like lope said.

Assault starts with an ASS and leads to U. Why fuel a fire that will burn you if you let it. thats my gut reaction.I get embarrassed to say this but ... people like this are what really goes through my head when i get shy and quiet or embarrassed about gay pride or furry pride or any exhibitionist attitude. I dont like drawing attention to myself because it often attracts people that want to do you harm.

[Selkit]

My sympathy for you, Lunar. I've been through similar on more than one occasion (One incident back in Calgary did turn physical, and I still have a small scar blended into my eyebrow from that one; An inch lower and I would have lost the eye). Homophobia is unfortunately rampant, one of the many contributing factors for why you will never find me visiting a religious institution of any kind or creed. Simple ignorance, frustration and 'holy dogma' combine to form a scapegoat the unintelligent may latch onto, as an excuse to elevate themselves above another human being for entirely petty reasons. I have some rather ugly social-Darwinistic views of how the matter should be addressed, that need not be stated however.