Umm why are the way we are?

[Neox]

Is totally one of those shallow people who came for the porn. @_@



Stayed for the fun gatherings though.

That counts for something doesn't it?

Not sure that is actually a valid explanation on "what it means to be a furry," no. =\  Somewhat certain that this is an explanation to "what it means to be a sexual deviant," which isn't always a bad thing in most cases, including this one.  Being into furry porn is pretty harmless, but it doesn't and shouldn't have anything to do with describing what it means to be a furry.

[Fazar]

Not sure that is actually a valid explanation on "what it means to be a furry," no. =\  Somewhat certain that this is an explanation to "what it means to be a sexual deviant," which isn't always a bad thing in most cases, including this one.  Being into furry porn is pretty harmless, but it doesn't and shouldn't have anything to do with describing what it means to be a furry.

I can 'sort' of see where he is coming from.  There's a lot of good, and a lot of bad to draw from the furry fandom.  Depending who you run into, associate with, hang out with.

For the most part I enjoy the Furry Fandom, and because of just how .. big or diverse it is, it means different things for different people.  There's groups of self feedback loops, those in it for more shallow reasons, some in for deep spiritual, or those who genuinely enjoy the positive and creative atmosphere that it harbours.

No matter what we call ourselves though, we are human, and with all humans there's an incredible diversity of opinions which will often clash.

[Fuzzum]

make me think much, ya couldnt seem to find myself that day and started thinking far beyoned what i could understand.

yes Farzar i agree and put this to rest i think that would be a good thing end it on a good note. befor it gets to heavy and people start hateing each other.

[Søren]

I'm just here to get my rocks off.









...It's so hard to convey sarcasm through text >_>;

[Drake Wingfire]

(Those who know me already probably know what Im gonna say)

In this case I think I will actually somewhat defend the point, seeing as the porn bit its... well its wide spread and our attempts to cover it up from our very selves is like trying to cover the worlds most awkward boner with nothing but a napkin. Im not saying to scream it to the world, but hey in my books porn is pretty low on the list for "bad reasons to be a fur" I would rate "shameless popularity whoring", "just cause my friend is in it"and "im desperate for attention" as far worse reasons. Besides, those who are just in it for the porn would not take the time to create a fursona or post on forums so I think their numbers are a lot smaller than we may believe they are.

Simply put, those who only care about trying to be some form of celebrity are far more of a pain in the ass. Give me a guy who rolls his dice to dragons and foxes over that any day.  ;D

[Zetta]

Nice analysis, Zetta, I thought that was an informative read.  To add to your last statement, in reply to Prof. Whovianart, I think it's also important to consider that many... MANY people call themselves "furries" simply for the porn and outlandish roleplaying.  They have absolutely no inclination towards imagination and creativity; they saw a furry smut post on 4chan and it got them off. 

On the other hand, though, I'm also inclined to agree with Prof.  Short of delving into the world of videogame design and development, I think the furry community contains some of the most imaginative and creative individuals I've ever met.  Some of the artists I follow have quite unique talents in art and story writing.  Not to say that I haven't seen these talents outside of our community; but I do have to admit that we have quite an impressive collection of those individuals in our own little furry fandom.

Exactly. the major upside of any fandom is the sheer amount of dedicated artists that will pump out content for years.

Is totally one of those shallow people who came for the porn. @_@



Stayed for the fun gatherings though.

That counts for something doesn't it?

*Cough* Seconded.
Albeit i don't have too many furry friends irl, mostly due to: I try to avoid bubbly people because they tend to embarass me regardless of what they're into, that and my friends don't give a shit about it, as I'm way too open minded to consider pushing anything out of my head into another.
Well, unless I get into a debate or something.
irrelevant.

[Fuzzum]

Ooo hot topic for some i guess.

the way i see it is that we havent been around long enough to realy know what beeing a furry is about, so far no real rules and were kinda flying under the Radar. thats all i can think of right now.

[Fazar]

(Those who know me already probably know what Im gonna say)

In this case I think I will actually somewhat defend the point, seeing as the porn bit its... well its wide spread and our attempts to cover it up from our very selves is like trying to cover the worlds most awkward boner with nothing but a napkin. Im not saying to scream it to the world, but hey in my books porn is pretty low on the list for "bad reasons to be a fur" I would rate "shameless popularity whoring", "just cause my friend is in it"and "im desperate for attention" as far worse reasons. Besides, those who are just in it for the porn would not take the time to create a fursona or post on forums so I think their numbers are a lot smaller than we may believe they are.

Simply put, those who only care about trying to be some form of celebrity are far more of a pain in the ass. Give me a guy who rolls his dice to dragons and foxes over that any day.  ;D

I've spent a lot of time thinking on the whole porn/yiff/sex thing regarding Furries.  The more I think about it, the more I interact with the community, and the more I've been around, the more I've come to think that sex, or sexuality and furries are not things tied together;  well, not quite in the way I think those on the outside looking in, and those on the inside 'for the sex' think it is.

Humans.. well almost all animals are very sexual.  Aside from food, sex is the most natural thing that drives an animal instinctually. Take away furry, and you still have a normal human being who wants to do what comes naturally.  You see if everywhere else outside of the furry fandom as a large part of advertisement, games, novels, TV, ect, ect.  There are also quite a few in the fandom where; like in real life, have little care for sexual stuff.

I really don't think furries are as different as we would want/hope us to be, and others think we are.  There are way more prominent key points, corner stones and iconic things the furry fandom would do better to associate itself with like it's creativity.  Uncle Kage once mentioned that the furry fandom was unique for a FANdom for whenever you compare it to say Trekkies, or anything else, they all have had someone else create something for them to be a fan of.  Furries are the creators.  We are our own biggest fans.  In a sense each furry is their own celebrity.  I may be butchering it a little, but case in point is the individuality, and creative spark I have noticed in the furry fandom is something I have not seen anywhere else.

[Drake Wingfire]

I've spent a lot of time thinking on the whole porn/yiff/sex thing regarding Furries.  The more I think about it, the more I interact with the community, and the more I've been around, the more I've come to think that sex, or sexuality and furries are not things tied together;  well, not quite in the way I think those on the outside looking in, and those on the inside 'for the sex' think it is.

Humans.. well almost all animals are very sexual.  Aside from food, sex is the most natural thing that drives an animal instinctually. Take away furry, and you still have a normal human being who wants to do what comes naturally.  You see if everywhere else outside of the furry fandom as a large part of advertisement, games, novels, TV, ect, ect.  There are also quite a few in the fandom where; like in real life, have little care for sexual stuff.

I really don't think furries are as different as we would want/hope us to be, and others think we are.  There are way more prominent key points, corner stones and iconic things the furry fandom would do better to associate itself with like it's creativity.  Uncle Kage once mentioned that the furry fandom was unique for a FANdom for whenever you compare it to say Trekkies, or anything else, they all have had someone else create something for them to be a fan of.  Furries are the creators.  We are our own biggest fans.  In a sense each furry is their own celebrity.  I may be butchering it a little, but case in point is the individuality, and creative spark I have noticed in the furry fandom is something I have not seen anywhere else.

Thats a fair point, honestly I never thought much about the fandom in that light because its was one of those so basic things we simply take for granted, us being the creators and the own starts of our own show is something that is an every day occurrence for most of us, literally to the point we don't even think much of it.

You are right though, sexuality and desires are something that every single person out there deals with, the reason the fandom seems so enthralled in it is simply because we do not veiw sex as such a shameful thing. But one could argue this is also highly tied to the fact the vast majority of our numbers are ages 15-30 on average IE: the most sexually active age group, so its gonna reflect it a bit in the fandom. I didn't mean to sound like sex is all we are here for, I just meant to say that just because someone likes their porn, furry porn, doesn't make them less of a fur or some strange thing like that. Its just a really silly thing in the end, like saying a fur can be judged solely based on fursona or a otherkin can be judged on how they had their awakening. (not saying thats what you said, just saying it as part of the subject as a whole)

[Fuzzum]

Well BAM make those who are just reading think alot about the hole shebang making us all proud to. Keep it up  :thumbs: :thumbs:

and those who are just reading please add your thoughts on the subject.

[ravewoif]

   Wow, reading this thread has really got me thinking because everything that I thought made a furry a furry is really not it at all as it is all present in other people that don't identify as furry. Affinity for animals, age regression, hippyism, and sexuality is a factor, but doesn't seem like the one unifying reason; if there even is one. Though looking at other fandoms, they also have something that they share in common. I have a feeling that people are over complicating the reason. Maybe it is just as simple as that we like to act like animals because it is unusal and we live to rebel against the normal human behavior. This is just the route we chose.

   I have noticed that there is a heavy emphasis on sexuality in the fandom and I feel that it is because people in the fandom feel more comfortable as we share a deep connection right off the bat. Being part of a society that it not entirely accepted and even hated by other. Though sexuality is not the basis of the fandom, as many people think it is, as sexuality is part of every fandom wheather they want to admit it or not. This is a fandom not a fetish.

[Neox]

Furry-porn mongers don't follow the fandom because they're horny.  EVERYONE gets horny.  You can't fault everyone who gets-off to furry porn and dub furry fandom a fetish.  This is not the reason why so many people come to the furry fandom for porn/sex.

The real reason why there is such an overabundance of sex-crazed people in the furry world is because WE CAN CREATE ANYTHING YOUR MIND CAN THINK OF.

How many other fandoms are widely known for their reliance on artwork and have a holy-shit tank of thousands of godly artists as the furry fandom does?  How many other fandoms are known for such a massive diversity of characters, species, and genres?

What I'm saying is: we get all the porn-addicts because, in less than five minutes, you can drum-up an artist who will--for free or for cash--draw whatever the fuck you ask them to, or already has it in their gallery for you to look at, and I'm NOT just talking Rule 34.  Vore, c-boys, herms, melting, MLP, unbirthing...  The most outlandish shit you've seen can be found, and has likely even been invented, in furry art.  People are attracted to our fandom simply because of this; they're not always attracted to the actual fur community.

This is why I feel it's important to separate the sexual side from the actual being-a-furry side when explaining "what it is to be a furry."  There are so many people out there who are simply in it for the porn, and THEY are the ones who make it extremely difficult to drop the "hey, I'm a furry," bomb on family and friends.

It's almost like, "Hey, I'm a Nazi, but not like the other Nazis who killed Jews and started a war.  We're like... the cool Nazis.  The ones who do bake-sales at bingo and walk your dog for free."  Yeah... kinda hard to sell that one, right?

[Zetta]

This is why I feel it's important to separate the sexual side from the actual being-a-furry side when explaining "what it is to be a furry."  There are so many people out there who are simply in it for the porn, and THEY are the ones who make it extremely difficult to drop the "hey, I'm a furry," bomb on family and friends.

Not so much. Your family and friends shouldn't give a shit if they actually care about you, and its even better if you joke about yourself with it. It's not nearly as controversial as people think, especially if you understand you're not actually an animal. being in something for the porn doesn't make you the 'bad part' of a fandom. Sexual deviance is inevitable, and actually increases with age. Taking on that attitude that they make something worse is only contributing to the problem.
Also comparing furries to Nazis is generally a bad idea, as its just a tad overdramatic.

[ravewoif]

Your family and friends shouldn't give a shit if they actually care about you

Even if they do love you there will still be an awkwardness there because of what they associate you with. Just imagine if yourmom came up to you and casually told you that she blows the dog on sundays.

    People that come for the porn are not here for the fandom. They have a furry fetish and in most cases that is it.

[Zetta]

Even if they do love you there will still be an awkwardness there because of what they associate you with. Just imagine if yourmom came up to you and casually told you that she blows the dog on sundays.

    People that come for the porn are not here for the fandom. They have a furry fetish and in most cases that is it.

To be honest I'd find it more hilarious than awkward. Everyone has kinks, and so long as you're not running around acting like an animal around everyone all the time it shouldn't be a problem.
Also, most cases doesn't some it up, especially when such a large portion of the fandom is rooted in porn.
Don't be an elitist within a fandom, an Us vs. Them attitude is a leading cause for the persecution complex. Bronies are getting it too, as they try to deny and hide the fetishism behind it.