2010+ Shelby GT500

[Tef]

Or you could always try and go for the Vancouver International Auto Show
http://vancouverinternationalautoshow.com/


P.S. I'm an European car fanatic, so this classic Ford vs Chevy debate is irrelevant to me. BMWs, Porsches, and Audis are the way to go for me. xP

[Icey Dominus]

Very sadly I have to agree with Tef on this one American Muscle can never actually come to par with European cars its just crazy how much higher there standards for there cars are there. The biggest thing I find is build quality is just crazy better in the UK.
Now Einsman the Corvette is not in the same level as the Mustang or Camaro. Thats why they HAVE a Camaro something that is at a similar speed, handling, price so they have something to compete with. More Mustang GT500 will sell in a year than Corvette ZL1 ever will. Thats because people like the Mustang more. When someone pulls up in a Corvette the common consensus is this "WHAT A DOUCHE"
Now when you pull up in a GT500 people are just thinking "SWEET!"
Its sorta like the people that buy Porches "douche car"
AND people that buy AUDI  "sweet car"
Okay I am feeling like Jeremy from Top Gear UK trying to explain to the simple people the cool wall.
It dosnt have to be the most expensive or the fastest or even the best looking to be cool it just has to be a Mustang  8)

[Tef]

Which reminds me, my dad once managed to get a hold of a 1960s or 1970s Mustang years ago. He said that the acceleration was quite a kicker of sorts.

Well...this comes from a family who doesn't own cars beyond four dour sedans. xP

[einsman]

Or you could always try and go for the Vancouver International Auto Show
http://vancouverinternationalautoshow.com/


P.S. I'm an European car fanatic, so this classic Ford vs Chevy debate is irrelevant to me. BMWs, Porsches, and Audis are the way to go for me. xP

I LOATHE BMWs and most Audis personally. But Porsche? Hell to the yes.

[einsman]

OP   just go to a dealership if you want to get pictures of one.

They are not going to care if you are just taking pictures.


They don't sell very well and you wont have a hard time finding one.

I tried local dealerships. None of them have one.

[Tonk]

OH and the Mustang GT can beat a Mitsubishi Lancer around a track SO HA! IT DOES HAVE HANDLING!

BAH!

I would like to see a rematch after both cars get ~10k in mods =3

edit: Sorry if i turn this into a domestic vs rice war

[Icey Dominus]

The only reason I know this is because (Car and Driver) Did a test on the 6 top cars under 40$ and on the Track top time it went is this order, they all did the same track in the same weather just so you know!
Ford GT Mustang           92.5
Nissan 370Z                  93.3
Mitsubishi Lancer Evo      94.2
Mini John Cooper Works   97.0
Volkswagen GTI             97.9
Mazda MX-5 Mitata        99.4

BUT I do love the Lancer so I will give it where its do.
Over all performance went in this order
Mitsubishi Lancer EVO  with a 86/100
Mazda MX-5 Miata with a        85/100
Ford GT Mustang with a          79/100
Nissan 370z with a                 76/100
Mini John Cooper Works with a 75/100
Volkswagen GTI with a           74/100


So in terms of over all handling for a car under $40,000 dollars its a no brainer the Evo wins that. BUT I still love the Mustang for what it is and have always wanted one, its a car for people who want to be kids/man children, the EVO is for adults and good drivers who have more money and want that car, either way you get allot of bang for your buck with the Mustang GT fully loaded as where if you got a EVO you may have to get one with hand crank windows to stay on budget.  

It is also worth mentioning that the BASE price for the Mustang GT is $5885 less than the EVO and you get the child hood WWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHHH feeling when you put your foot into the gas.
Actually out of all these cars the Mustang GT was the third most expensive and that says allot for what you get
Another side not is out of all cars it had the shortest stopping distance from 70-0mph in 154 despite being the heaviest car at 3641lbs and for the retards out there that say "well duuuuh more weight means it would stop faster duuuhhhh *drools* "  NO YOUR WRONG!!!
MORE weight is harder to stop so STFU!!
IN CLOSING the Mustang is a stand up car for its price.

Thank you

[einsman]

Actually, I LOATHE the evo. It has way too much grip and thus understeer. It's also the ugliest import ever (yes, even surpassing the horrid looking R34). Plus muscle cars almost always have one issue: too much power for the chassis to cope with due to using VERY outdated suspension setup. And that includes ALL muscle cars, not just the Mustang.

[Torwin]

I am a Ford Dealer, you might have a hard time finding one, no Dealership just has one sitting around. They only order them when the customer puts a deposit down. Also, half of the dealerships can't get them, they need to have the SVT License, and most just have the Lincoln License.

What measurements do you need? I can pull up some documentation on it when i get to work later today ;)

This is what I have on hand for measurements :)

Wheelbase   2,720mm (107.1")
Front tread   1,572mm (61.9")   
Rear tread   1,588mm (62.5")   
Turning radius   5.7_18.8   
Front legroom   1,077mm (42.4")   
Rear legroom   757mm (29.8")   
Front headroom   978mm (38.5")   
Rear headroom   881mm (34.7")   
Front hiproom   1,361mm (53.6")   
Rear hiproom   1,186mm (46.7")   
Front shoulder room   1,405mm
Rear shoulder room   1,311mm
Passenger volume   2,718L (96.0 cu.ft.)   
Interior cargo volume   379L (13.4 cu.ft.)   
Maximum interior cargo volume   379L (13.4 cu.ft.)   

[Drake Wingfire]

Why people so aggressive debate cars they will most likely never own escapes me >.=.>

But then again I have always been a  "do what I can with what I got" kinda guy and slapping large engines onto heavy frames really doesn't get my motor running if ya know what im saying. That being said, the GT I drove was fun, it went like stink and I got to turn some heads... but that's really all. Other than that I find modern muscle rather out of place in a society that has high demands for efficient, nimble and well handling cars. They are more of a niche vehicle now, something you own along side of an efficient daily driver as your "for fun driver/ dick extension" not to say they don't have their place, its just that its so niche that it perplexes me how big of debates can be had over it all.

But perhaps I am entering the wrong debate. I love the potential of vehicles spec wise, you can't argue with the numbers for sure. But I just find it usually falls into one of those "han vs greedo"esq debates. I have always found it more interesting what the right driver/ tuning can do for a car rather than simply who has the bigger wallet to be left to decide what is the best car off the lot. I simply find it more enjoyable to expand/ tap into the potential of a vehicle rather than just buy something big.

[Icey Dominus]

I get what you mean Drake I will probably have waaaaaaay more fun in the Dodge Spirit I had than I ever would in a GT Mustang simply cuz I would never want to hurt it so I probably wouldn't do much in it lol. BUT I WILL OWN! ONE!! lol I have vowed to own a GT one day and I will.

ALSO Einsman the only car that had actual problems like not strong enough frames was the FOX Body Mustang of the 80s and mid 90s. The cause of the body twist was due to the fact that the frame actually only went to the rear seats. So it didn't have the over all frame strength to deal with torque twist. That's when you see the car twist its has very little to do with suspension. And I will admit I am sad for the years that the Mustang feel from epicness to under sized under powered wanna be pony car. BUT there is a 80's a little Mustang that was a turbo 4cyl 2.3L SVO that was waaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of its time in, in the way of turbo chargers jumping the regular 2.3 4cyl from 88hp to 203hp. Sadly haven't actually seen one of these in real life but I WANT ONE!! lol

[einsman]

I'm not talking actual chassis twist (which I know too well, since a friend of mine has a 80's Mustang and the chassis is bent to hell and the whole car creaks and groans. Not good D: ) but the fact that the suspension system used in muscle cars is still quite outdated.

[Icey Dominus]

I find the suspension fine for that era the people driving the cars would expect body roll and the rear end to slip ALLOT! but that seemed really good at the time that now is really really bad lol. Those cars that where made such as the Duster, Charger, Camaro, Challenger, Mustang, GTO, Road Runner the suspension for those cars of THAT time was perfectly acceptable but to compare that to today's standards is ridicules cuz there is simply no contest we have better stuff now. The biggest problem I have with those cars and something I would change if I owned one would be the brake ugh talk about waaaaaaaaaaaay to small brakes to stop a huge heavy chunk of steel.

UNLESS you are talking about the Mustangs live rear axle? Cuz in that case yes it is out dated but for a couple reason (not saying they are good reasons just the ones Ford uses) ONE the Mustang is made to be a average joe's  muscle car something they can afford and still have allot of fun with. Lee Iacocca said when he made the car he wanted something that could be "taken shopping Friday, drag race Saturday, and church Sunday."
Well Ford has forever tryed to stick with that ideal. The other reason ties into the first, changing from the live rear axle to full independent suspension is expensive and would bring up the price in the Mustang thus defeating the idea of the car.
Really even though the live rear axle is outdated you will be surprised at what allot of experts say and I have researched  this extensively!
Almost all say this "Even though the Mustang has the ancient prehistoric suspension its funny but some how Ford made it work wonderfully. . . . however the car cant do rough road on turns its fantastic on a clean track and will smoke the other muscle cars but it gets scary and unpredictable the moment you hit a bumpy!"

That is all taken from memory for me and I have herd those words soooooooooooo many times and I still want one.

ALSO I hate to say it but the Camaro has good suspension even for now  :'( :'(

[Torwin]

I work for Ford; but I drive a Porsche, nuff said, lol  ;D

[Icey Dominus]

YAY FOR THE TRYING TO HARD CAR!!  :-3 :-3

What kind and what year?