Things to complain about

[Renwaldo]

Furries are trashy people.

Seriously. They are inconsiderate, obnoxious, juvenile, and - dare I say it - stupid when it comes to social common sense. Not all of them take enough consideration in their appearance to even bathe before going out in public for godsakes!

It's no wonder we spend so little time out in public together as a group given how few of us are really able to do so appropriately.

[Whitzy]

Furries are trashy people.

Great quote, except one thing, aren't you one yourself?

[RainRat]

[gmod]This looks like it might be going it a bad direction. General rants and constructive feedback are fine. If there's personal attacks(including against an identifiable group), then there's a problem. If you need to give criticism to a specific person, consider tact(like a Personal Message).[/gmod]

[H u nn Y]

This looks like it might be going it a bad direction. General rants and constructive feedback are fine. If there's personal attacks(including against an identifiable group), then there's a problem. If you need to give criticism to a specific person, consider tact(like a Personal Message).

Just curious... who was that pointed too? o 3o

[Ember]

Renwaldo, welcome to the joys of open invite furry events.

Such events are a draw to the people who are not often able to go out and socialize comfortably. Thus they often have a high percentage of people who lack some basic social skills. The events can be useful as a training program for these people, and indeed they used to fill this role well.

Unfortunately, as the community grew larger, the percentage of people like this began to eclipse the percentage of furs who have these skills. This causes the already social people to stop going to these events, making the problem even worse.

To anyone who suffers the problem of being swamped by socially stunted furs at open invite events: Find yourself one of the many groups of furs who are a little more 'off the grid'. As a hint, most of them don't read/post on this forum.

There's a lot of social stuff still going on in furry here, it's just that most of it doesn't get announced to the general population anymore.

[Unition]

I'd like to see more responsibility taken by the organizers of events in this regard. (I'm not pointing this at anyone, I don't even know what event sparked this conversation)

I don't think it's neccesary or very fair for the community to have to fragment off in order for people to have a good time.  Hygiene/behaviour problems can happen in any group of people (yes, moreso in furries than average) - I've seen it happen in university study groups and between work buddies.

Event organizers should
- know the public behavior/hygiene standard
- identify people attending meets who do not meet this standard
- be prepared to speak to these people (nicely!) about their problem
- be prepared to ask them to leave if neccesary

These are the standards I've held when organizing my own events, I believe they are fair and have had no complaints so far from attendees.  As an occasional event organizer, I've had to accept that I can't be friends with everyone and sometimes I've had to be firm with people who are causing problems, and even ask them to leave.

In short, if you plan it, you need to be responsible for it.

[Ember]

I've long held the view that furries need to be -less- nice to one another. Need to be less accepting. The thing is, assholes point out the things that everyone else is too nice to say. But they do get their point across.

It's very easy for us all to blame the behaviour of some people as having a caustic influence, but if you're being complacent and accepting of the behaviour, aren't you at least a little to blame for it going on?

The veterans know this already, but this issue right here is largely the reason that the local community has splintered. A very large number of people got sick of dealing with an admittedly small percentage of the community.

This community has a great deal of very awesome people in it, but being nice to the small number of people that no one wants around is ultimately damaging to all of us.

[RainRat]

Just curious... who was that pointed too? o 3o

It was pointed to "Furries are trashy people." It hadn't gone over the line yet, but it seemed to be going in that direction.

[zenia]

There is a big difference between pulling someone aside (or catching them on their own) and saying "I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but you are having a bit of a hygiene issue at the moment, you have to take care of it or I am afraid you have to leave." and "Dude, you reek! Go home take a shower!" I've had the problem once or twice and while both ways are still totally embarrassing (especially if you are unaware of the problem), the first one is far better.


I have only been to one meet, but I wouldn't want to miss out on one I may have wanted to go to because it was secret and I wasn't invited, being still newish to the community.

[Ember]

I have only been to one meet, but I wouldn't want to miss out on one I may have wanted to go to because it was secret and I wasn't invited, being still newish to the community.

Same with any other group of people. If I am throwing an event at my place, why would I want random people who no one knows showing up? It's not standard for people to invite strangers into their house, and I don't understand why the hell furries think that this should be the case.

If you're newish, the responsibility is on YOU to meet people and get to know people. If you can't do this, then yes you fail and you don't get to be invited to things.

[Renwaldo]

I find it a little sad that I got a larger reaction from using insults than from constructive criticism. Perhaps I ought to have utilized a little more tact and worded that differently. I'm sorry I called some of you trashy, not quite sorry enough to delete that post. Some of us really need to think about how we conduct ourselves in public, more specifically in a nice restaurant setting.

[zenia]

If I am throwing an event at my place...

I should have been more clear. I didn't mean meets at someones house. I meant if people were getting together at a park or food court... something public where a bunch of people get to meet for the first time. I wouldn't expect someone to come on the forum (no matter how small it is) and say "Party at my house everyone! The address is _____!"

[Roxxy_Starrz]

I am not sorry for eschewing the current discusion only because this thread is for complaints not discusing the hygene/behavoir of some furries. With that being said on to my complaints for the day: My neck and ear are F***king killing me today, I am out of muscle relaxents and I have to go out into public to make an appointment with my doctor to find out the results from my MRI last weekend. I would rather stay inside and curl up in the fetal position in the dark and not have to deal with the throngs of idiots that walk to streets today. But I have no choice but to grit my teeth, bear the pain, and get done what needs to be done. Just gotta love how life is sometimes eh? :v

[Ember]

Yikes. Made an assumption about what you were saying and extrapolated on that, sorry.

Allow me to restate my post for events in public places.


People who are well established in this community already have a wealth of friends. People who they already know and are comfortable being around. For them, they have no benefit to invite random people around. They already have enough friends.

So for people like that, they have no reason to broadcast what they are doing in a mad grab effort to bring more people into their life. They already have a social circle in place. These are the many small circles that fill up the local fandom. People who already have friends and don't need new ones.

Now, if you approach these people and they think that you are awesome, they will most likely invite you around. But they wont just open invite every jagoff to their stuff.

Again, the burden of effort is in the prospective social person, not the established one.

If you don't know anyone around here, do something about it! Don't just wait around for someone to tell you how special you are and how much they need you around.

[JestersKing]

Mmmk, the pieces have been said. Can we please leave it there and relegate this thread back it it's intended purpose: the airing of peoples every-day grievances?