What has happened? we used to have Sex, Drugs and Rock n Roll, now all we got is AIDS, meth and techno. the Fashion's off the charts weird, and my goodness the kids, all they want to do now is drink and get high, call me old fashioned, but the 21st century has taken a turn for the worst.
Well ah fer one blame dem LIBERALS and OBAMACARE and dey's not keepin' dem kids off my lawn consarnit. Small gov'mint.
i kinda lol because you said "we used to have Sex, Drugs and Rock n Roll" and that your problem with this generation is all ppl want to do is drink and get high, which is part of the afore mentioned :P
Be open about the new generation because theres really nothing you can do about it XD
Well, we could sit on our porches and yell at the kids to get off our lawns, but that wouldn't really help much... =^.~=
Speaking of which, aren't those two groups actually part of different generations?
And maybe even different centuries?
Real-life conversation between me and my brother a while back:
Me: "Don't look at me like I'm from the last century!"
Brother: "But you are!"
I'm quite certain when we were growing up, the generation before us said the exact same thing. And so on and so forth.
It was different though, it's used to usually be being responsible about it, and there weren't nearly as many 12 year olds drinking then either, I guess you could say that I'm very stubborn to change and have very high opinions about a lot of things, to hear my mother talk about when she was a child "When I was young the rebellious music I listened to was Alice Cooper." whom is actually a really smart man, if you listen to him talk.
Its safe to say that no two generations are alike, sure in our parents time it was sex, drugs and rock'n'roll but I would not say that current generations are fucked up. If you look at the big picture, the adults in our parents days looked at our parents and said "whats wrong with this generation, there are hippies and rock-roller-what-ever fans and all they wanna do is get high and drink while listening to that awful music!" there has never been a "normal" generation, it can't exist. For it to exist you would have to literally just have a generation of kids so doped up on meds they lost all sense of adventure and any interest in what being a youth is all about. Which lets be honest is what the adults of every generation want, every single generation has said the youth of their time is stupid, that they waste their time and energy on things that have no end payoff, that they listen to shitty music and just wanna abuse substances and fuck everything that moves. To that I say "its sad that those adults all seem to have gotten Alzheimers prematurely, or else they would recall when they were a kid and did all the same shit" Which brings me to my next paragraph.
Me personally when I have those thoughts about the younger generations... I cringe and get a bit upset... not with them, but myself because I utterly despise with venomous hatred the feeling that I am just getting older and the vortex of horribly bland, uptight and soulless adults keeps trying to suck me in to become one of them. I hate it because I see it as a life of monotony and thus a life not even lived and in a stretch not even worth living if its just dedicated to being the life of a 9-5 drone who becomes an alcoholic cause its the only "joy" they find anymore due to have being in such a rush to "be more of an adult". I cannot with any semblance of a conscience or "morality" that's left in me honestly take "maturity" advice from the typical adult because it would simply lead one down the same ruinous path that they chose. In short, take a good look at the people complaining about youth and their tastes, the ones telling them to grow up and give up the things they like. THAT is what a person looks like who did that very thing themselves. A bit of a tangent I know..
I suppose you guys are right, I guess me bitching about it isn't going to make it any better, I know that I was born in the wrong era that's for sure, which I guess I should just conform with society and continue life, I am not proud of this generation at all, but there's nothing I can do about it.
Its not just the current generation.. it goes back to the previous Generation too! This has been getting worse and worse for the past 20 years now. I am studying psychology and I often talk about this with the doctor I am studying under. Our view is that we are now in an instant gratification era.
In this modern age, we are used to things being instants and right away, and if we go 15 seconds with out getting what we want, people start acting badly. Today, we have super fast cars to move us from point A to B, who wants to take the bus? We have instant messaging and e-mail, who wants to write a letter and wait 4 weeks for a reply? I can remember my grandparents all having gardens in their backyards, now the only time people see any veggies is if it is sticking out from their burgers or falling off their pizzas.
And there is a greed factor too, or as I like to call it, ME ME ME Mentality. People see others with their bling and their shinies and they want it too, and will do stuff that a few years ago would have got them shunned by the community, but now they get heralded by the other fuck-wits who also don't have the bling or the shiny. In this me-first world, I watch people race across town with little regard to roadsafety or red-lights because they just HAVE to be first.. even if it means nearly hitting other cars or whiping out, they have to be first.
The gaps between rich and poor are getting huge, and have been since as far back as I can remember what the concepts were (the 80s). The have's don't understand what it means to go with out and often show off a level of arrogance that could dwarf the CN tower, and the have-not's are raging against this because they are sick of going with out. The thing is, compared to many places in the world, our have-not people have it pretty damn good.. but by the standards which which we judge ourselves, we are pretty poor.
Then theirs religion... IF people only lived by the teachings that their various religions to better their lives and the lives around them (feed the poor, shelter your neighbour, treat others with decency) , instead of using it for their own personal agenda (political gain, ceasing power, removing those you don't like or agree with), then we really would have a world at peace.. but no, people are selfish and self-centred. This leads to more anger and hatred and distrust because we rarely see the good acts any more, but we always remember the bad.
None wants to take responsibility for anything anymore either. The other night, I was out with a few locals, and each of them left a HUGE mess which I felt disgusted by. So I cleaned it up. So what that they made part of the mess, they were with me, and I cleaned up after them because sometimes you have take responsibility for those around you as well. I know this statement won't make me any more popular, but so many of us in this world need to just get over ourselves.. we are not nearly as important as we think we are, because in reality, we are just all one part of a greater whole.
Speaking as one with anger-issues, we must all try to calm down anotch.. Easier said than done.. but its something we have to work on.
=^.,.^=
^^ you sire have just summed up everything I couldn't get from my head to the keyboard
ah i feel im to ypung for this but i see Drake has used his 9-5 alchoholic drone thing again.
but as i see it Monkey see Moneky do, BACKLASH BABY! its all about on how your brought into this world, your parents your friends and so on.
and i think thats all i got on this for now.
: Fuzzum August 12, 2012, 02:19:53 -06:00
ah i feel im to ypung for this but i see Drake has used his 9-5 alchoholic drone thing again.
but as i see it Monkey see Moneky do, BACKLASH BABY! its all about on how your brought into this world, your parents your friends and so on.
and i think thats all i got on this for now.
Lol it makes for an apt quick description XD
When you work anywhere long enough you see that's about all some people got going on in their lives >.=.>
: MikeFurry August 12, 2012, 12:04:59 -06:00
Its not just the current generation.. it goes back to the previous Generation too! This has been getting worse and worse for the past 20 years now. I am studying psychology and I often talk about this with the doctor I am studying under. Our view is that we are now in an instant gratification era.
In this modern age, we are used to things being instants and right away, and if we go 15 seconds with out getting what we want, people start acting badly. Today, we have super fast cars to move us from point A to B, who wants to take the bus? We have instant messaging and e-mail, who wants to write a letter and wait 4 weeks for a reply? I can remember my grandparents all having gardens in their backyards, now the only time people see any veggies is if it is sticking out from their burgers or falling off their pizzas.
And there is a greed factor too, or as I like to call it, ME ME ME Mentality. People see others with their bling and their shinies and they want it too, and will do stuff that a few years ago would have got them shunned by the community, but now they get heralded by the other fuck-wits who also don't have the bling or the shiny. In this me-first world, I watch people race across town with little regard to roadsafety or red-lights because they just HAVE to be first.. even if it means nearly hitting other cars or whiping out, they have to be first.
The gaps between rich and poor are getting huge, and have been since as far back as I can remember what the concepts were (the 80s). The have's don't understand what it means to go with out and often show off a level of arrogance that could dwarf the CN tower, and the have-not's are raging against this because they are sick of going with out. The thing is, compared to many places in the world, our have-not people have it pretty damn good.. but by the standards which which we judge ourselves, we are pretty poor.
Then theirs religion... IF people only lived by the teachings that their various religions to better their lives and the lives around them (feed the poor, shelter your neighbour, treat others with decency) , instead of using it for their own personal agenda (political gain, ceasing power, removing those you don't like or agree with), then we really would have a world at peace.. but no, people are selfish and self-centred. This leads to more anger and hatred and distrust because we rarely see the good acts any more, but we always remember the bad.
None wants to take responsibility for anything anymore either. The other night, I was out with a few locals, and each of them left a HUGE mess which I felt disgusted by. So I cleaned it up. So what that they made part of the mess, they were with me, and I cleaned up after them because sometimes you have take responsibility for those around you as well. I know this statement won't make me any more popular, but so many of us in this world need to just get over ourselves.. we are not nearly as important as we think we are, because in reality, we are just all one part of a greater whole.
Speaking as one with anger-issues, we must all try to calm down anotch.. Easier said than done.. but its something we have to work on.
=^.,.^=
Mmm thats a very good argument as well, wish I had thought of it ^^;
Like you said we have all grown up pretty much programed to have very short attention spans and even shorter fuses. I will say with the greed thing, in many causes age is heavily tied to it. My mate could even vouch for that with all his work in retail environments. Many people still try and raise their kids to use their please and thankyou's and it does work most of the time. The real issue which pains me to see is when those kids grow up (the kids who grew up having manners and were raised to try and be miniature model citizens) once they get in their late teens and get out into the "real world" they get totally raped 6 ways to Thursday by society because they put themselves out there in even the smallest way and there will be some greedy back stabbers waiting to capitalize on it. After so long of trying to be nice and getting nothing but contempt and the cold shoulder. It does cause one to become somewhat jaded (or maybe this is some vague history of my life lol)
Really, you get out into the world for the first time, everyone has taught you that bullies are just something in school, people who yell and are rude are just something in school, every lill dishonest or mean spirited thing you got in school people insisted was just a "school thing" and that people in reality are much more mature than that. Till you actually meet some of these "real" flesh bags and find out that they get even more greedy and rude with age to the point they will slam doors in your face and yell over your talking when they are not getting their way. (this is most of the reason why I despise old people, one is meet are horribly lacking in manners or common curtsey)
But take what I say with a grain of salt as I am honestly a bit of a self confessed misanthrope. I can like, even LOVE individual people but I generally want nothing to do with the rest of the species.
The average age for a person to first have sex is 15 or so, British Columbia is well known for it's marijuana, and Vancouver is a breeding ground for indie rock and roll.
Sounds like it's still sex drugs and rock and roll.
If anything I think this generation is improved. Environmental Awareness, sexual health campaigns, tobacco, alcohol, and other drug awareness, a lot more tolerance to race and orientation.
Only thing that really changed is media awareness, you hear more about people dying because of doing stupid things while drunk or teenagers getting pregnant, or people overdosing on drugs. Now, if rock and roll memoirs are to be believed, these issues were already present. I mean jeez, Jim Morrison alone probably left around 20 children.
People are more aware of what's wrong with people.
Doesn't mean this is anything new.
Honestly, in a way I think all generations are the same. We want to bang, we want to get effed up, we want to listen to music that is displeasing to the older generations. But I think the generations are actually getting more awesome. The reason why people probably think our generation and beyond are messed up is because of how communication has advanced. And because of the internet, humanity and all of it's knowledge, horrors, and stupidity are all easily accessible and viewable by the average person. It is much easier for everyone to share new ideas, and to communicate around the globe instantly. Our world is becoming smaller as we speak, and it is much easier to connect with people. Because of religion being a big thing in the past, people lived very slow paced and manual lives, with slow technological advancements, because science was seen as "blasphemic" for the fact it was "playing God". But now we live in a very fast paced life, with many things doing work for us, and new technology coming out faster than we could keep up with because more people are reliable on the beauty of science. However, because we are an immature species living on this giant rock in space, despite us gaining knowledge about the world at a rapid rate, this could also lead to our downfall of the planet, since it's practically become 1 big garbage bin by urbanizing every natural unoccupied space we see, even though we are trying to save it by "going green".
Speaking of going green, I know things are becoming more biodegradable, because of natural ingredients being used (Which is awesome for garbage), but if you think about it, they had to gather those natural resources, and is technically not saving the planet, and I'm sure that processing these natural things into useful product are probably done in not-so-green ways. So, even though we may be kinder to the planet with our garbage, this does not change the fact that we are sucking these wonderful resources from the planet for our own selfish reasons.
These are just my opinions though... so I don't expect everyone to agree with what I have to say.
I blame a good portion of the new generation dysfunction on what's on TV and bad parenting. I fucking hate turning on the TV for anything other than to watch hockey, a movie, or play videogames. Someone needs to bomb MTV. >(
: Neox August 13, 2012, 12:40:08 -06:00
I blame a good portion of the new generation dysfunction on what's on TV and bad parenting. I fucking hate turning on the TV for anything other than to watch hockey, a movie, or play videogames. Someone needs to bomb MTV. >(
For that reason I don't even have cable, I just cringed at all the "reality TV" horse excrement. I honestly just find shit online these days because of the retard pandering that has become modern TV. If we wanted to solve bad parenting then we might as well skip the social foreplay and all that beating around the bush and go right to "parent licenses" but that would be tricky to actually enact.
: Neox August 13, 2012, 12:40:08 -06:00
I blame a good portion of the new generation dysfunction on what's on TV and bad parenting. I fucking hate turning on the TV for anything other than to watch hockey, a movie, or play videogames. Someone needs to bomb MTV. >(
So you are blaming an irresponsible generation for creating a dysfunctional generation?
MTV used to be about music Hence "music Television" but it's not what it used to be, now all that is on is that crappy Reality TV, I think a good portion of what's happening to people today is the music, a lot of music now is all rap, and pop, and most has to do with partying. which in turn is making kids rebel, and the whole YOLO saying *shudder*, is making it all the worst
Okay, everybody, I'm going to show you how to write an essay.
Essentially, in it's simplest form, it goes like this:
- Outline the problem
- Present argument
- Present solution to problem
1. Outline the ProblemNow, you've all done a fantastic job of completing goal 1; we now understand that there are many things wrong with the current generation. Still, we need a working definition to encapsulate these thoughts. In other words, we need to be specific, and as far as I can tell, based on what you've all said, I think we could sum up the issue thusly: adolescent children, youths, teens, and young adults are not living the life that we think they should live. This is good, but we need to specify what sort of life we think they "should live"; I think if we kept it simplified, we could safely define this as "a life where the quality of living is equal to, or better than, the quality of living we enjoyed as children, youths, and teens."
Now, put these together, and we have
"adolescent children, youths, teens, and young adults are not living a life where the quality of living is equal to, or better than, the quality of living we enjoyed as children, youths, and teens." This is the problem, based on what I've read so far. Now, we dig into the argument.
2. Present ArgumentA proper argument understands both sides of the story, and so far I have seen much outlining
one side, but little regarding the other. Yes, common use of marijuana is a bad thing, as are younger ages having sex, the predominance of short attention spans, and the profusion of tasteless television and music. Those are all very good; however, you fail to see the
counter argument.Our generation had large demographics engaging in drug use, heavy and light. Our generation also had just as much music and television of poor taste. So, technically, a portion of your main argument does not meet the qualifications of your problem, since it describes a quality of living
at least equal to ours. What we are left with, then, are younger ages having sex, and the predominance of short attention spans. Good points. We have indeed lost some things over time, but what have we gained?
There is greater, more widespread access of educational literature and information regarding sex and safe practices around it. Short attention spans were an effect of the evolution of technology, which has given us faster cars to take us places, and faster internet access, for both informational and recreational wants and needs. This rapid advance in learning, and communication methods has engendered a generation that knows more than ever about the world it lives in. Children, teens, and adults know more about the laws regulating their actions; they know how to connect themselves to the rest of the world, whether by flying, driving, or sailing to new lands, or by creating connections to friends and loved ones using previously unimaginable communication resources; and they more free access to this weath of information than ever before. In addition, the rapid advance of technology has brought about rapid advancements in the world of medicine. Cures for such diseases as AIDS and HIV are being researched constantly; and cures for alzheimer's and cancer are on the tip of discovery, possibly to be found within
this generation's lifetime.
All of the above indicate a quality of living sometimes equal, but largely better than the quality of living we enjoyed, which is exactly what your problem said was wrong with the current state of affairs.
3. Present Solution to ProblemFinally, few, if any, of you have presented a solution to the current state of affairs; that is, assuming that the problem is entirely true (that adolescent children, youths, teens, and young adults are not living a life where the quality of living is equal to, or better than, the quality of living we enjoyed as children, youths, and teens) then you should try and help solve it.
Personally, given that most of the critera and complaints present thus far have not been supported enough to be considered worse than the standard of living we enjoyed as children, teens, and adults, I see little reason to change what is happening already. To maintain the status quo would mean that we suggest today's parents be more involved in their children's lives, that mass media play lesser roles in our children's lives, and that children, as a whole, be more responsible when it comes to matters of sex, education, and drugs.
Now, I ask you, if that is the status quo, which a majority of us have been doing all along, how can we improve upon that? The solution that many of you have implied only leads to another, greater, problem, possibly endemic to such a statement of affairs.
^ Let me put it this way, this is a discussion, not a report for a psychology course.
The reason a topic like this is made is simply for people to just get their own thoughts out and actually talk about something that does provoke a little thinking. How ever, that does not mean that to participate in a topic like this one must write out a whole analysis and go about things in a pseudo-professional tone. If you are complaining that people are mostly in agreement and not many have stood on the side of the general mundane populous and ragging on how kids are utterly stupid and that all youth need to just shut up and fall in line to how older generations think, feel free to make the argument. But just because someone hasn't doesn't mean that peoples posts are meaningless.
after reading the first comment on this thread i conclude that someone is starting to feel OLD.
don't worry about it. you kind of get used to it after 10 yrs.
And they'll bitch about the generation after them, and so on and so on until the sun burns out.
??? OH NO, "WHAT" the sun is burning out ???
:-3 (it seemed as relevant as most i`ve read on this thread so far) :-3
: professor whovianart August 14, 2012, 12:34:17 -06:00
??? OH NO, "WHAT" the sun is burning out ???
Yep! Very, very slowly, mind you.
: Drake Wingfire August 14, 2012, 09:38:13 -06:00
^ Let me put it this way, this is a discussion, not a report for a psychology course.
The reason a topic like this is made is simply for people to just get their own thoughts out and actually talk about something that does provoke a little thinking. How ever, that does not mean that to participate in a topic like this one must write out a whole analysis and go about things in a pseudo-professional tone. If you are complaining that people are mostly in agreement and not many have stood on the side of the general mundane populous and ragging on how kids are utterly stupid and that all youth need to just shut up and fall in line to how older generations think, feel free to make the argument. But just because someone hasn't doesn't mean that peoples posts are meaningless.
I fear that you didn't take the time to read all of what I wrote, and in so doing have missed my point, which I conveniently outlined in red at the bottom of my great big wall-o-text: the posts in this thread are not meaningless, but they don't "provoke" much thinking, which, I agree, is something they should do. This is the reason why I posed the question at the bottom of my post, which can be re-worded thusly: complaining that kids should be more like we were only repeats a cycle that parent and child have been engaged in for quite some time; what could we possibly do differently to make some bigger waves in the pond?
Also, to be fair, whether or not you see what I said as "a report for a psychology course", which I suspect is a derogatory claim here, should not diminish any good points which are made in it.
: Ja'Nathun August 14, 2012, 02:45:57 -06:00
I fear that you didn't take the time to read all of what I wrote, and in so doing have missed my point, which I conveniently outlined in red at the bottom of my great big wall-o-text: the posts in this thread are not meaningless, but they don't "provoke" much thinking, which, I agree, is something they should do. This is the reason why I posed the question at the bottom of my post, which can be re-worded thusly: complaining that kids should be more like we were only repeats a cycle that parent and child have been engaged in for quite some time; what could we possibly do differently to make some bigger waves in the pond?
Also, to be fair, whether or not you see what I said as "a report for a psychology course", which I suspect is a derogatory claim here, should not diminish any good points which are made in it.
I did read over all you wrote, don't worry about that (pop shot for pop shot I guess? lol) I was simply stating that the overly analytical approach isn't really all that necessary here (the whole "problem, analysis, proposed solution" etc). Heck in my first post on this topic I already had pointed out the re-peat cycle that you are mentioning where the older gens always think that the newer ones should be more like them, how they see younger gens as just outright dumb. I honestly think you are over complicating what is just a simple discussion. Not everything is required to provoke thought, people as a general just like to state their own observations of things and their thoughts. If that doesn't happen to float your boat then so be it.
But if you insist on a bluntly put answer... Until we some how mentally "cleanse" our species we will never have harmony between the generations. As people grow old they feel overly entitled to shit that they honestly did nothing to earn in the first place, society just magically assigns titles of "wisdom" and respect to people as they age, if you are 40+ people are less likely to question you just because you've held off the grim reaper longer than someone who is 20. You can be 60 and a total scat brain and people will still think you wiser than even the most level headed "with it" 20 year old. Simply put our society is built upon the domination of others and the most easy concept for even the most stupid individual is "that guy is older, he must obviously know something. Not like that young dude, he probably just knows video games and masturbation". In other words, bigotry is the medium by which people tend to be judged and "valued" by the most often.
: Drake Wingfire August 14, 2012, 06:41:37 -06:00
But if you insist on a bluntly put answer... Until we some how mentally "cleanse" our species we will never have harmony between the generations. As people grow old they feel overly entitled to shit that they honestly did nothing to earn in the first place, society just magically assigns titles of "wisdom" and respect to people as they age, if you are 40+ people are less likely to question you just because you've held off the grim reaper longer than someone who is 20. You can be 60 and a total scat brain and people will still think you wiser than even the most level headed "with it" 20 year old. Simply put our society is built upon the domination of others and the most easy concept for even the most stupid individual is "that guy is older, he must obviously know something. Not like that young dude, he probably just knows video games and masturbation". In other words, bigotry is the medium by which people tend to be judged and "valued" by the most often.
I never recall saying that I wanted a "bluntly put answer"; in fact, if anything, my words would suggest that I'm looking for an in-depth and involved answer. Also, I'm disturbed by the fact that you still seem to be missing my point, possibly intentionally side-stepping it this time. Unless your new solution to an old problem is to "cleanse" our species, I don't think you've answered anything in a thought provoking way.
To be fair, though, perhaps I should provide some examples of my own. It is, after all, unreasonable for me to expect everyone else to do the heavy lifting.
For one, let's address the issue of drug use. In previous generations, the go-to solution was usually to keep children as far as possible away from it, and lay down all sorts of punishments if they found their way to drugs anyways.
What if, say, the parents of this generation let their children experiment with drugs freely, albeit in a controlled environment? Without the thrill of deviance, one could argue that young drug use in general would decline. Also, for those who were curious "what it's like" then they would get a chance to discover. Then, let's say it's a 50 / 50 split of those who end up hating and those who end up liking the drugs they tried; 50% need no intervention, and over-parenting, which sometimes pushes a child to do drugs just to rebel, would be reduced; 50% would be given tailor-made options for quitting and moving on, and, having identified their tendency towards addiction much sooner in life, would arguably have a significantly higher rate of success.
What do you think, and are there any other outside-the-norm ideas you think might work?
Cheap shots trying to sound smart aside. (disturbed....really?) That was my answer, I assume I wasn't thought provoking in the right flavor that you want? It may not be the answer you are looking to hear but if this world was full of people just hearing what ever wanted to hear that would be boring as hell. (and also horribly fake and plastic) Every generation is different and every generation always thinks the newer ones are totally backwards and full of social disfunc. At least on a larger scale, I know not everyone thinks that way. That would fall under the notion of status-quot.
But if you really must have an answer to your question because you don't like the current playing field that is a topic on a forum for peoples thoughts and opinions.
I would say if you put a child in a controlled environment then you are simply going by age-reaction and what they already perceive drugs as via their parents, schools and friends words. (little kids thinking everything is icky and gross, teens willing to give it a shot etc etc) if its something like smokes, everyone's first times always suck, its one of those "you get use to it" deals, maybe the youth would be far less likely to do it, but if you are going for immediate effect drugs.. I think honestly you would be just getting more youth hooked on them. People crave excitement and adventure and the entire point of drugs is an escape from boredom and normality, its only purpose is enjoyment and fun for the moment. Youths lives are literally already all about that. (Video games, Sugar, Movies, Sex) Its all about what ever is the most fun at the time. so I think the only way you are gonna steer anyone clear of drugs in a controlled environment is if what ever drug they used had a nasty side effects or some short term withdrawal like symptoms. Its always been about pleasure VS pain, if the pleasure outweighs the pain then people will do it, but if its more "pain" than its worth, people will not do it. Humans are just hard-wired to always seek out the thing that cause the most instant pleasure
Like imagine if in some reality, immense head trauma caused you suddenly feel just wonderful for a few hours, like just pumped for of all sorts of lovely natural occurring chemicals. Now tell a kid "hey if you smash your head on the edge of the brick wall you will feel great!" yeah sure.. for the moment in that reality, but then you got to deal with excruciating pain afterwards and a long recovery as you deal with a concussion and possibly a fractured skull and brain bruising. How many people do you think would get hooked on the initial sensation if it involved such pain and damage? In that scenario the pain so greatly outweighs the enjoyment that people just wont do it.
But in my honest opinion that's just a long winded analysis of what is a micro fraction of what people are, it doesn't really say anything for the general topic which is about why the generations are so seperated. All that was established is that people crave enjoyment and that maybe the older generations "re-program" themselves to see the things they enjoy and like as bad and wrong and now go about shaking their fingers and scrunching their faces at younger people who are actually enjoying themselves because those "more mature" individuals have made themselves jaded to those things they use to enjoy to SEEM more mature.
My grandmother said the same thing when she was in her 20s, its just a fact of life that we feel our next generation is weird, every generation feels that way and today's kids will feel the same way about future kids when they grow up.
: Drake Wingfire August 15, 2012, 12:40:31 -06:00
Cheap shots trying to sound smart aside. (disturbed....really?) That was my answer, I assume I wasn't thought provoking in the right flavor that you want? It may not be the answer you are looking to hear but if this world was full of people just hearing what ever wanted to hear that would be boring as hell. (and also horribly fake and plastic) Every generation is different and every generation always thinks the newer ones are totally backwards and full of social disfunc. At least on a larger scale, I know not everyone thinks that way. That would fall under the notion of status-quot.
But if you really must have an answer to your question because you don't like the current playing field that is a topic on a forum for peoples thoughts and opinions.
I would say if you put a child in a controlled environment then you are simply going by age-reaction and what they already perceive drugs as via their parents, schools and friends words. (little kids thinking everything is icky and gross, teens willing to give it a shot etc etc) if its something like smokes, everyone's first times always suck, its one of those "you get use to it" deals, maybe the youth would be far less likely to do it, but if you are going for immediate effect drugs.. I think honestly you would be just getting more youth hooked on them. People crave excitement and adventure and the entire point of drugs is an escape from boredom and normality, its only purpose is enjoyment and fun for the moment. Youths lives are literally already all about that. (Video games, Sugar, Movies, Sex) Its all about what ever is the most fun at the time. so I think the only way you are gonna steer anyone clear of drugs in a controlled environment is if what ever drug they used had a nasty side effects or some short term withdrawal like symptoms. Its always been about pleasure VS pain, if the pleasure outweighs the pain then people will do it, but if its more "pain" than its worth, people will not do it. Humans are just hard-wired to always seek out the thing that cause the most instant pleasure
Like imagine if in some reality, immense head trauma caused you suddenly feel just wonderful for a few hours, like just pumped for of all sorts of lovely natural occurring chemicals. Now tell a kid "hey if you smash your head on the edge of the brick wall you will feel great!" yeah sure.. for the moment in that reality, but then you got to deal with excruciating pain afterwards and a long recovery as you deal with a concussion and possibly a fractured skull and brain bruising. How many people do you think would get hooked on the initial sensation if it involved such pain and damage? In that scenario the pain so greatly outweighs the enjoyment that people just wont do it.
But in my honest opinion that's just a long winded analysis of what is a micro fraction of what people are, it doesn't really say anything for the general topic which is about why the generations are so seperated. All that was established is that people crave enjoyment and that maybe the older generations "re-program" themselves to see the things they enjoy and like as bad and wrong and now go about shaking their fingers and scrunching their faces at younger people who are actually enjoying themselves because those "more mature" individuals have made themselves jaded to those things they use to enjoy to SEEM more mature.
I apologize if things seem that way, but I wasn't trying to make any cheap shots at all during that last bit. If you feel threatened by my posting then I'm sorry. If you like, we can whip it out and show everyone how much bigger than me you are :)
Honestly, I think you've finally gotten to a good point in this last post of yours. You're right: people would still pursue drugs as long as the pleasure outweighed the pain and the drugs themselves appeared to be a gateway to still more good times to come. I like your solution as well: to counter this, one would have to alter all drugs available to produce a higher difference of pain to pleasure. It could theoretically be done, assuming the scientific and medical communities could get behind it. Then, even supposing that illegal dealers could and would lace their products with more pleasure-producing items, such back-alley sellers would soon be run out of town, or have their own supplies "tainted" by the specially made "painful" drugs. In essence, it's less about controlling the environment and more about controlling the things within it. I like it.
That's all I was looking for: a little outside-the-box thinking to solve conventional issues.
The cheap drug dealers are almost doing that themselves already, they try and cut drugs with what ever similar looking substance they can find so they can sell what looks like a larger quantity of drugs. But its true, if the market were to be flooded with counter active drugs, it may put off many people, the hardcore addicted would be a whole different story. Unless someone somehow made a knock off drug that actually had a counteractive effect to the symptoms of the addiction.
Lol but that still leaves us with Sex and Rcok'N'Roll, and I dun wanna change sex unless its society's viewing of it. XD
this is the age old question every generation asks of the next. what is your problem? and the answer is
: tokar August 17, 2012, 11:36:43 -06:00
this is the age old question every generation asks of the next. what is your problem? and the answer is
Nothing
(okay I wanted to leave it at one word to sound more to the point and dramatic, but I also realized I would look like a douche)
But yes, every generation is use to their own tastes and morals, I guess one could call it "social evolution"
And also wanna also apologize to Ja'Nathun for being rather harsh in tone in my last posts too ^.=.^;;
Well I was glad I got such a good response the question, good discussions, glad to know that I ain't the only one thinking about it.
Well I'M personally glad we've established modern mainstream music is bollocks :3