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: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: lunar_prodigy February 03, 2012, 09:15:13 -07:00
http://tricksparrow.tumblr.com/post/16722609675/canada-is-about-to-pass-sopas-evil-little-brother (http://tricksparrow.tumblr.com/post/16722609675/canada-is-about-to-pass-sopas-evil-little-brother)

STOP BILL C-11 NOW.

click the link below and all you need to do is search for your local MP by postal code, and then enter your name adresss and email and click send to the pre-written email. unless you want this crap to canada faster than you can say "USA Influence on Canadian Government "

http://www.ccer.ca/letter-wizard-enter/ (http://www.ccer.ca/letter-wizard-enter/)
http://www.ccer.ca/send-a-letter-to-ottawa-to-stop-the-canadian-dmca/ (http://www.ccer.ca/send-a-letter-to-ottawa-to-stop-the-canadian-dmca/)
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: zenia February 03, 2012, 10:01:07 -07:00
Already done! I posted about it on my FB too. I hope lots more people send a letter to their MP.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Shad February 05, 2012, 03:45:02 -07:00
You know what I love about this whole thing? They actually believe that SOPA/PIPA, C-11, and all the other bills like it would actually stop on-line piracy. These people don't seem to understand that this sort of thing would inspire "black market"-like behavior. If this bill ever passes, I'm switching businesses and become a pirateer (as opposed to a privateer ;)) of the on-line business world. I'll be a millionaire within a month. ^-^
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Acco February 05, 2012, 08:31:52 -07:00
C-11 is going to pass whether we like it or not at this point. Handed the conservatives a majority, and Harper's in bed with the US. Ergo, it's already gg.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: H u nn Y February 05, 2012, 09:53:36 -07:00
Ugh, ffs.. Not this BS again... =w=;;; Signed. If it does pass, shit'll happen all over Canada. GG to whoever proposed it and whoever sides with it. >_>

Okay, seriously, the government is taking this shit way too far D=< I read a small paragraph from the ACTA wikipedia page (not reading the whole damn page because it's TL;Don'tWannaWasteMyTimeReading) about Border Checks and it seriously pisses me off that they can do random searches and can subject a person caught with any ripped music/movies with a fine and the possibility of confiscating said device or even destroying it. SOOOO f**king stupid.... *rolls her eyes and randomly smashes glass*
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Drake Wingfire February 05, 2012, 09:57:16 -07:00
its seems very few are talking about ACTA which Canada, US, Japan and many other large countries have signed... that is the real nightmare as there would be no bounds to who the US could grab and hold over trivial shit.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Selkit February 06, 2012, 01:38:19 -07:00
The bright side is that for once the Republicans are actually proving useful and questioning (rightly so!) the constitutionality of ACTA. For one thing, it was signed only by the executive branch with no period of deliberation in the Senate, as it's a sole executive treaty. Their challenge *will* succeed (IE: ACTA's signing in the US will be overridden) IF it requires a change to US law. Without changes to US domestic law, ACTA is largely a show of support for anti-piracy (Much like the Kyoto accord was a commitment to carbon reduction). In other words, it's completely toothless in the United States as it's currently written, but, it opens the door to more nonsense like SOPA and is effectively a direct statement by the Obama administration that they intend wholly to crack down on piracy. SOPA was actually, likely a spin-off attempt prompted by Obama signing ACTA last October. Unfortunately, there's no such constitutional block here in Canada, and the Conservatives already have carte blanche to legislate whatever they want until the next election.

Bright side? If they carry on the way they have regarding pensions, they'll probably be shot in the foot by their own Baby Boomer voting base.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Drake Wingfire February 06, 2012, 09:35:43 -07:00
Yeah its pretty sad the voting power that the baby boomers have (hey they set up the voting system so you can really only make it if you don't work a job and have the time to make it in for that microscopic voting window. IE all the free time the boomers have), they are a huge chunk of the ones giving support to this. While anyone who actually grew up in the information age boom (todays 20-40yr olds) know exactly how much shit these bills would cause. But you are right, they will vote for just about anything until someone brings up some form of cuts that actually effect them.

Personally.. just my little tangent here, but I have a feeling that by the time the boomers have had their "ride" there wont even be much of a pension/ care system left for anyone else, I think our gen is gonna be SOL.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: lunar_prodigy February 06, 2012, 09:47:42 -07:00
: H u nn Y  February 05, 2012, 09:53:36 -07:00
Ugh, ffs.. Not this BS again... =w=;;; Signed. If it does pass, shit'll happen all over Canada. GG to whoever proposed it and whoever sides with it. >_>

Okay, seriously, the government is taking this shit way too far D=< I read a small paragraph from the ACTA wikipedia page (not reading the whole damn page because it's TL;Don'tWannaWasteMyTimeReading) about Border Checks and it seriously pisses me off that they can do random searches and can subject a person caught with any ripped music/movies with a fine and the possibility of confiscating said device or even destroying it. SOOOO f**king stupid.... *rolls her eyes and randomly smashes glass*

well all i can see is never bringing a laptop or mp3 player across a boarder and id be fine, though i cant think of other issues i am forgetting.  these days everyone has some illegal software, music and likely a movie or two somewhere. imagine when they can randomly invade our houses.... scary. of course that's still far away outcome from this. the thing about government though is once they realize they can get their foot into your personal life, they barge right in full force. so never let them in .
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Selkit February 06, 2012, 11:02:14 -07:00
<Obnoxious hacker snark>lrn2truecrypt</Obvious hacker snark>

Or what Lunar said. Just sanitize your portable hardware. Not having pirated horrible pop songs that you wouldn't have actually bought to begin with on your iPod, won't kill you. Hell, there's plenty of amazing indie artists out there that either encourage "piracy" for the exposure it brings, or are simply free to begin with.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Drake Wingfire February 06, 2012, 12:24:46 -07:00
: Selkit  February 06, 2012, 11:02:14 -07:00
<Obnoxious hacker snark>lrn2truecrypt</Obvious hacker snark>

Or what Lunar said. Just sanitize your portable hardware. Not having pirated horrible pop songs that you wouldn't have actually bought to begin with on your iPod, won't kill you. Hell, there's plenty of amazing indie artists out there that either encourage "piracy" for the exposure it brings, or are simply free to begin with.

As furries I think we all can understand the later part of your point haha I know with my art I am happy when I see it linked around on various yiffy art databases. Lets me know some people out there actually do enjoy what I draw haha.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: lunar_prodigy February 21, 2012, 07:43:49 -07:00
i got this letter back, thought i would post it for the community

_____________________
(Le français suit l'anglais)

Thank you for taking the time to write regarding Bill C-11, An Act to amend
the Copyright Act. We appreciate having the benefit of your comments and the
opportunity to let you know more about our work on a number of these
legislative concerns.

New Democrats want updated copyright laws to balance the rights of artists,
consumers and rights-holders. We believe that Canada needs effective
legislation to ensure artists' royalties are protected; long-distance
education opportunities aren't hindered; and that young people aren't
subject to unfair, expensive fines.

That's why we will not be supporting Bill C-11 unless the government is
willing to amend the digital lock provisions and restore royalty provisions
for artists. The blanket provisions for digital locks will allow corporate
interests to decide what legal rights you may or may not exercise. This
unbalanced approach will ultimately hurt artists, educators and consumers.

New Democrats also think that it is time to strike a balance in Canada's
copyright law that will properly recognize the cultural community for its
valuable contributions to our society. Going forward, we will continue to
work hard to improve this bill and press the Harper government to adopt the
best copyright laws for the 21st century.

Please find below a letter from NDP Copyright and Digital Issues critic
Charlie Angus that further explains our position on Bill C-11.

Again, thank you for taking the time to register your views.

Sincerely,


Nycole Turmel, M.P.
Interim Leader of the Official Opposition
New Democratic Party of Canada


Charlie Angus, M.P.
NDP Copyright and Digital Issues Critic


Thank you for your email regarding C-11, the Conservative government's new
copyright bill. Since 2004, New Democrats have pushed to have Canada's
copyright legislation brought into the digital age.

We believe that copyright in a digital environment must be based on two
fundamental principles – access for consumers and remuneration for artists.
Unfortunately, the Conservative government has failed to meet these two
fundamental principles. On one hand, the government directly attacks
millions of dollars in existing copyright royalty to artists all the while
undermining rights of consumers through their digital lock provisions.

Given the above, we will not be supporting Bill C-11 unless the government
is willing to amend the digital lock provisions and restore royalty
provisions for artists.

New Democrats are concerned about a number of measures in this legislation.
First, we oppose the digital lock provisions in Bill C-11 as they go well
beyond our obligations under the WIPO treaty. Legal protection for TPMs
(Technological Protection Measures) should not override rights that are
guaranteed to citizens under existing copyright legislation.

Another concern is that this bill offers consumers rights they will not be
able to exercise. The blanket provisions for digital locks will allow
corporate interests to decide what legal rights you may or may not exercise.
This unbalanced approach will ultimately hurt artists, educators and
consumers.

There are also serious concerns over the impact this bill would have on
long-distance education. In particular, we are totally opposed to provisions
that would require students and educators to destroy their class notes after
30 days.

While we support the right of consumers to time shift and back up legal
works, we oppose the government's attempt to erase the right of artists to
receive compensation for private copying of works. Further, the refusal of
the government to update the private copying levy into the digital realm
will cost artists millions of dollars a year in lost royalties.

Finally, we oppose plans to remove mechanical royalties for radio as well as
attempts to erase collective licensing rights in schools.

While there is much we dislike in this bill, there are measures that we can
support — for example, provisions that would bring Canada into compliance
with the WIPO copyright treaties including the "making available" right of
artists. We also support the move to ensure photographers are given
copyright over their works. We support efforts to extend fair dealing rights
for satire and parody.

For our part, we will try to improve this deeply flawed piece of
legislation. First, we will look to amend the digital lock provisions to
ensure there is a balance between the right of a creator to protect their
work and the right of the consumer to access content for which they are
legally entitled.

In addition, we are committed to clarifying the fair dealing rights in terms
of education so that students and educators are able to access works in the
classroom while, at the same time, ensuring collective licensing regimes for
the fair remuneration of creators are not undermined.

Again, I appreciate knowing of your interest to have Canada adopt improved
copyright legislation for the 21st century.

Sincerely,


Charlie Angus, MP Timmins – James Bay
Official Opposition Critic for Digital Issues and Copyright


Merci d'avoir pris le temps de nous écrire au sujet du projet de loi C-11,
Lo modifiant la Loi sur le droit d'auteur. Nous sommes heureux de recevoir
vos commentaires et d'avoir l'occasion de vous faire part de notre travail
concernant certaines préoccupations en lien avec ce projet de loi.

Le NPD souhaite renouveler la Loi sur le droit d'auteur de manière à trouver
un équilibre entre les droits des artistes, des consommateurs et des
détenteurs de droits. Nous croyons que le Canada a besoin d'une loi
permettant de s'assurer que les redevances des artistes soient protégées,
tout en s'assurant de ne pas nuire à l'éducation à distance et de ne pas
exposer les jeunes à des amendes injustes et coûteuses.

C'est pourquoi nous n'appuierons pas le projet de loi C-11, à moins que le
gouvernement n'accepte de modifier les dispositions concernant les serrures
numériques et de restaurer les dispositions concernant les redevances des
artistes. Les dispositions de portée générale du projet de loi concernant
les serrures numériques permettraient aux grandes entreprises de décider des
droits légaux que vous pouvez ou non exercer. Cette approche mal équilibrée
est nuisible pour les artistes, les enseignants et les consommateurs.

Les membres de l'équipe du NPD considèrent également que notre Loi sur le
droit d'auteur doit reconnaître à juste titre l'importante contribution de
la communauté culturelle pour notre société.

Dans les prochaines semaines, nous allons continuer à travailler dur afin
d'améliorer ce projet de loi et d'inciter le gouvernement Harper à adopter
une Loi sur le droit d'auteur adaptée au 21e siècle.

Vous trouverez ci-dessous une lettre du porte-parole du NPD en matière de
questions numériques, Charlie Angus, qui explique plus en détail notre
position sur le projet de loi C-11.

Une fois de plus, nous vous remercions d'avoir pris le temps de nous faire
part de votre point de vue.

Chaleureusement,


Nycole Turmel, députée
Chef intérimaire de l'Opposition officielle
Nouveau Parti démocratique du Canada


Charlie Angus, député
Porte-parole du NPD en matière de droit d'auteur et de questions numériques


Je vous remercie de votre message électronique concernant le nouveau projet
de loi du gouvernement conservateur sur le droit d'auteur (C 11). Depuis
2004, les Néodémocrates ne cessent de faire pression pour obtenir une loi
canadienne du droit d'auteur adaptée à l'ère numérique.

Nous estimons que le droit d'auteur à l'ère numérique doit s'appuyer sur
deux principes fondamentaux : l'accessibilité pour les consommateurs et la
rémunération pour les artistes. Malheureusement, le gouvernement
conservateur n'a respecté ni l'un ni l'autre. D'un côté, il compromet
directement des millions de dollars de redevances aux artistes en vertu de
droits d'auteur en vigueur tandis que, de l'autre, il porte atteinte aux
droits des consommateurs en adoptant des dispositions sur les serrures
numériques.

Cela étant, nous n'appuierons pas le projet de loi C 11, à moins que le
gouvernement soit disposé à modifier les dispositions relatives aux serrures
numériques et à rétablir les dispositions relatives aux redevances pour les
artistes.

Les Néodémocrates s'inquiètent du nombre de mesures prises dans le cadre de
cette loi. Premièrement, nous nous opposons aux dispositions relatives aux
serrures numériques parce qu'elles dépassent largement nos obligations en
vertu du traité de l'OMPI. La protection juridique des MTP (mesures
techniques de protection) ne devrait pas l'emporter sur les droits garantis
aux citoyens en vertu de la réglementation actuelle du droit d'auteur.

Nous sommes également inquiets du fait que ce projet de loi accorde aux
consommateurs des droits qu'ils ne seront pas en mesure d'exercer. Les
dispositions générales relatives aux serrures numériques permettront aux
entreprises de décider des droits juridiques que vous pourrez – ou non –
exercer. Cette perspective déséquilibrée finira par faire du tort aux
artistes et aux enseignants.

Il y a également lieu de s'inquiéter sérieusement des répercussions de ce
projet de loi sur l'enseignement à distance. Nous sommes notamment tout à
fait opposés aux dispositions qui exigent que les élèves et les enseignants
détruisent leurs notes de classe au bout de 30 jours.

Nous sommes d'accord pour donner aux consommateurs le droit de programmer
l'enregistrement d'œuvres protégées par le droit d'auteur ou d'en faire des
copies de secours, mais nous nous opposons à la tentative du gouvernement de
priver les artistes du droit d'être rémunérés pour la reproduction privée de
leurs œuvres. Par ailleurs, le refus du gouvernement de mettre à jour le
droit de reproduction privée en fonction de la réalité numérique va faire
perdre aux artistes des millions de dollars de redevances.

Enfin, nous sommes opposés aux mesures destinées à supprimer les droits de
reproduction mécanique à la radio ainsi qu'aux tentatives de suppression des
droits des sociétés de gestion dans les écoles.

Bien que ce projet de loi nous déplaise à beaucoup d'égards, nous pouvons
appuyer certaines des mesures qui y sont proposées, par exemple les
dispositions qui aligneraient le Canada sur les principes des traités de
l'OMPI en matière de droit d'auteur, notamment en ce qui concerne le droit
des artistes de mettre leurs œuvres « à la disposition du public ». Nous
sommes également en faveur de l'idée de garantir aux photographes un droit
d'auteur sur leurs œuvres.  Et nous appuyons les efforts visant à élargir
les droits d'utilisation équitable aux satires et parodies.

Pour notre part, nous tâcherons d'améliorer ce texte législatif très
déficient. Nous chercherons tout d'abord à faire modifier les dispositions
relatives aux serrures numériques pour obtenir un équilibre entre le droit
du créateur de protéger son œuvre et le droit du consommateur d'avoir accès
au contenu auquel il a légalement droit.

Par ailleurs, nous sommes déterminés à clarifier les droits d'utilisation
équitable dans le domaine de l'enseignement, afin que les élèves et les
enseignants soient en mesure d'avoir accès à des œuvres en classe, tout en
évitant de compromettre le système des sociétés de gestion, qui permet aux
créateurs d'obtenir une rémunération équitable.

Je tiens à vous remercier une fois encore de votre souci que le Canada
adopte une meilleure loi sur le droit d'auteur pour le XXIe siècle.

Veuillez agréer, Cher ami, l'expression de mes sentiments les plus cordiaux.


Charlie Angus, député de Timmins – James Bay
Critique de l'Opposition officielle pour les questions numériques et le
droit d'auteur
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Zen February 21, 2012, 09:38:08 -07:00
Same prepared letter I got back. You could have cut the french out of it. I also got back a prepared letter by my local MLA, whom is also NDP, so we shall see what comes of this. Even Vic Toews is on the backpedal on his own bill, and may change some of the wording before the next reading. Not optimal, but a start.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: H u nn Y February 22, 2012, 12:26:25 -07:00
Yup, got the same letter as well. I replied to it. Kind of my own opinion about the whole thing. :B
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: zenia February 22, 2012, 12:27:56 -07:00
I got a similar letter, but from a different person as I live on the Island.
: Re: and there back.. now sopa-like bill passes in canada in less than two weeks
: Selkit February 22, 2012, 02:44:49 -07:00
C-11 may actually be a dead issue at this point; The European Union Parliament is currently debating on the legality of ACTA, and the Americans are seeing similar constitutional challenges; ACTA is definitely unconstitutional on several points in the United States. It would be more difficult to challenge it from a constitutional standpoint in Canada, but it still technically violates parts of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Pertaining to freedom of speech and expression). C-30, on the other hand, Vic Toews' pet project, may still be alive and well, but it's taking heavy flak for the reasons I'm about to outline.

C-30 is the one to be well and truly concerned about, as it permits extrajudicial searches of any data-center without a warrant, and permits the assigned agent (Who does not even have to be a police force member, they can be part of a privately appointed and unaccountable group or hired contractor) to seize, copy, and remove any information they see fit within the bill's provision; Your browsing habits, your IP addresses, unique hardware identifiers, telephone number, full name, address, all personal data the ISP has about you, outbound and inbound telecommunication records... from the entire data-center, from any customer of that data-center, regardless, without a warrant, upon demand. Does this sound a little Chi-Com to anyone? Okay, so it's to "catch child predators". But it's warrantless, boundary-free on-demand and unaccountable data-gathering, without any kind of tangible limitation on why they can even seek the data in the first place. C-30 would literally allow the government to walk into your ISP or tel-co, wave a badge, and demand free roam of the place, to copy the entire local archive if they saw fit, without a warrant (And by extension, with next to no documentation or proof-of-intent and proof-of-need).

Anyone else find it a little funky that a man who wants to scrap a gun registry on privacy grounds, would propose something like this?