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Kool & The Gang - Celebration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M#)
And yes I know we live in Canada, but this effects the whole damn world!
Let the good times Rollllllll! :3 ^0^
Way to go to the boys over seas, you mother f**kers did a damn good job 8D.
Heroes you are, Heroes you are.
My father hypothesizes this will make the war on terrorism in the middle east more difficult for us. I disagree. I think things over there will die down after the enemy's loss of a significant leader.
What are your thoughts?
This is entirely speculation I should say.
They confirmed that he is dead, they have the body and all.
And it wont make it more diffcult, but it wont make it disappear either. Someone is there to take his place, there always is.
Since America is laying claim to the kill for Osama, it is fairly easy for the Extremists to prop him up as a Martyr in the fight against them. It may cause a surge of violence in disputed and "hot" territories in the new few weeks. I doubt it will result in anything major, but it isn't a complete blow to the terrorists.
Now the war in Iraq is ok.. right?
: mediar May 01, 2011, 11:03:21 -06:00
Now the war in Iraq is ok.. right?
Even if it made a difference...there will always be
war, as my history teacher blabs on how history attends
to repeat its self and how history is matched to today's events.
Doers anyone actually care about this guy anymore?
: Rue May 01, 2011, 11:11:35 -06:00
Doers anyone actually care about this guy anymore?
Before today I believe most people had forgotten about him.
Last I read he was dying of kidney failure and was on dialysis anyway. Now rather than him dying being almost-forgotten, they've turned him into a martyr.
GJ, dudes - way to perpetuate these stupid wars and make more people hate the US... this is why we can't have nice things. c.c
A lot of the U.S. economy seems to be fueled by war, so is it really that big of a surprise?
ding dong the witch is dead, the wicked withc, the wicked witch, ding dong the wicked witch is de~ad!
Oh wait... wrong movie.
Man, Osama. Thank god he's dead and all, but I missed alot of awesome shows due to the ALERT ALERT message on tv. Bleh. He was big for a while, but after 10 years of him I think alot of people forgot about him. haha.
Apparently he was found in a mansion. Living it up before he died.
Also, Not sure if the war is over. Sure the guy is dead, but they said on the news that they can't say.
They won't all just come home magically. They will probably be out there for another 2-6 months.
Just a hunch.
I was never effected by this ordeal. So it's not super big news to me.
It was more of an American thing rather than a Canadian. Just sayin'
~~Shadowwolf
This changes very little in the grand scheme of things. Al Qaeda has been a nebulous entity since 2002, and it's been busily spawning or assisting other Islamist cells such as Al-Shabaab or Indonesian efforts. In recent years, Osama was chiefly a figurehead more than an actual mastermind, unable to maintain regular contact or coordinate on a global level with any degree of effectiveness. That particular fragmentation had begun with 1998's American embassy bombing in Kenya, and accelerated greatly with the invasion of Afghanistan. The larger surviving sections of the organization had already been disbanded and scattered for their own safekeeping by about 2002, and in their present state, a large number of them were already effectively independent. This turn of events has two important social ripples; On the American side of things, it gives a good deal of closure to victims of the 1993 WTC bombing, and the 9/11 attacks, a significant morale boost to those who were disheartened that the 'War on terror' was accomplishing nothing. It has also given a group that values martyrs, a very high profile martyr to rally under the banner of. Ironically, a morale boost to some of the more extreme sorts, and possibly to others a warning sign; If they eventually got the highest-level man, they will get me sooner or later. In the end, though? Hate to trivialize it, but it's all much ado about nothing. Osama's personal significance as a leader has been waning for over a decade, and the actual organizational impact will be fairly minimal.
I do however, eagerly await what kind of spin the Teabaggers and the more arrogant Rethuglicans will put on this one.
Oh, they're always great for that. Obama conspired with Osama because of the change from b to s. Can't wait to hear that one. And then I'll laugh.
On a more serious note though, yeah. Osama's death means very little in the long run. Except it makes Trump look like a tool, which is always okay in my book. Obama might win 2012 because of it too. But in the middle east, Osama probably had little power towards the end; we'll likely see more attacks from the same old.
: Kithop May 01, 2011, 11:56:37 -06:00
Last I read he was dying of kidney failure and was on dialysis anyway. Now rather than him dying being almost-forgotten, they've turned him into a martyr.
GJ, dudes - way to perpetuate these stupid wars and make more people hate the US... this is why we can't have nice things. c.c
Actually he has been on Dialysis for over 15 years, he has been on it since before the 9/11 attacks
... and the first working dialysis machine was invented by a Dutch guy who later became a US citizen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willem_Kolff). :p
I have a lot of trouble understanding how anyone can 'celebrate' the assassination of another human being, irrespective of what they have done. I just feel sadness at this news and the all-pervasive attitude of eye for an eye, and justice through vengeance and retribution.
I believe the Tao Te Ching said it best:
Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?
He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral.
R.I.P.
I believe this will have almost no noticeable effect on the current "war on terror" I think its good he is dead but lets not forget how many men and women died over the past 10 years and all of the resources that went into hunting this man down, lets just hope it was worth it. I would love nothing more than the terrorism to stop however i doubt it would.
Still though an entire nation rallying behind some good news is always a nice thing, anything to takes minds off the state of their economy ;3 meanwhile i'll be heading to the states more often to buy goods! =D
I smell i power vacuum.
also, its actually true, i saw photographic proof of his corpse, morbid as it was.
guess it's over for now.
: Zetta May 02, 2011, 11:25:26 -06:00
I smell i power vacuum.
also, its actually true, i saw photographic proof of his corpse, morbid as it was.
guess it's over for now.
(http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll266/infernoseed/1242240140807.jpg)
: Zetta May 02, 2011, 11:25:26 -06:00
I smell i power vacuum.
also, its actually true, i saw photographic proof of his corpse, morbid as it was.
guess it's over for now.
That photo that's been floating around is a fake, it's been around since 2003.
: Kithop May 01, 2011, 11:56:37 -06:00
Last I read he was dying of kidney failure and was on dialysis anyway. Now rather than him dying being almost-forgotten, they've turned him into a martyr.
GJ, dudes - way to perpetuate these stupid wars and make more people hate the US... this is why we can't have nice things. c.c
And on that note, I think that people should have to pay for their deeds against others. Letting him die of natural causes would be letting him off the hook far too easily. The guy orchestrated the deaths of many humans. Surely there should be some punishment for such an act.
Totally - it's called incarceration, stripping him of all material wealth and donating the proceeds to pro-democracy causes, that sort of thing.
No one has the right to kill someone else, and by stooping to their level we've only perpetuated the situation. Which, of course, is exactly their intention - war is good for business, if you're in the business of selling death to the highest bidder. ;)
This is only a symbolic victory. Real victory will only come when the conditions that lead people to think that violence is a viable option are ended. That will take a lot more time.
I was a little annoyed because they stopped the press where I work for an hour to change the front page of the paper
from a Canadian flag (for election coverage) to a picture of Bin Laden. It made me miss my bus home, so I had to
walk for an hour instead. (A co-worker gave me a ride part of the way.) On the plus side, it means getting paid for an extra hour. :-)
: Kithop May 03, 2011, 10:25:05 -06:00
Totally - it's called incarceration, stripping him of all material wealth and donating the proceeds to pro-democracy causes, that sort of thing.
No one has the right to kill someone else, and by stooping to their level we've only perpetuated the situation. Which, of course, is exactly their intention - war is good for business, if you're in the business of selling death to the highest bidder. ;)
There's something to be said about the poetic justice of an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. I'm by no means a supporter of the US, but I think that this was the best option for everybody involved. There are definitely instances where some crimes are too heinous to allow somebody to live, mass murder for one. I wouldn't equate this to Nuremberg trials, but it somewhat falls along the same lines.
In my honest opinion all this will do is inflate Americas Ego, and like others have said make Osama a Martyr in the eyes of extremists.
To be honest his death didn't impress me, not because the whole "killing is wrong" deal, more so because Osama in my books has to be the most successful hide and seek player on this earth, it took 11 years and the entire US army to find this guy (if they were even looking after the second year that is) and at this point I almost wouldn't be surprised if some story comes out how Osama died due to kidney failure and some person went up to his body, pulled out a gun and went *pop* GOTTEM!
Maybe its because im not American, maybe its because this "war" has been going on for litteraly about HALF my lifetime to this point.. hell maybe its because he was a 60yr guy on dialysis and it took 11 years to find and kill his ass... but I just don't see the whole death of Osama as a real triumph as we all know it will change nothing... if anything it may lure America into a false sense of security and make them susceptible to yet another attack for all we know at this point.