While reviewing news regarding the earthquake and subsequent tsunami in Japan, the following comment from a rather crazed fundamentalist surfaced in the comments section, regarding the notion that the quake had actually knocked a tiny fraction of time off Earth's rotational period:
<Begin bat-shit crazy>
"Thanks many who disagreed with me. Except that we all are simply and plainly taught in schools, and in religious schools, there is no compelling scientific evidence so far to prove that Earth is rotating or moving around Sun. The theory you believe is called solar centric. 99% of religions believe this since ancient days and so in their 'holy books'. Yet striking difference is 1%, stand own its own. That's Bible, is firmly established that Earth is stationery. Sun rises, and Sun sets down. (You too speaks the same every day - right? Or do you say else ?). Day and night happens by God's order. Bible has evidence too. There is undisputable geocentric model available which even supports long days and nights in polars. Bible (KJV) is "Geocentric". God made heaven & earth. Then made a firmament from earth that separated heaven and earth with water above and below (on earth). Heaven is above the firmament. Below the firmament, he made sun and stars - for giving light, direction and seasons for earth. Those are for serving the earth. Heaven is above the firmament. Whatever man creates, can max go upto the firmament only. This giant firmament is moving too, The sun. moon and stars has set path through which they are moving at a speed that's given to each. That's the divine order, by God. Geocentricity is the truth. All gods and allah are below the firmament. Creator Jesus is above in heaven, King and Lord of Lord."
</End bat-shit crazy>
I died a little inside. Please, community, tell me how this kind of ignorance persists even in this day and age? Not the religious aspect, but the sheer bat-shit crazy ignorance. How do we manage to fail so utterly in educating the population? How do we not manage to provide social or psychiatric support to the mentally ill? Why does this persist?
These kinds of crackpots were always around, it's just that the Internet has made it a lot easier for them to get their crackpot ideas out there.
Witness Time Cube. (http://www.timecube.com/) Before the Interwebs, this guy would have been standing on a streetcorner shouting his lunacy and being roundly ignored (or possibly institutionalized). Today? He can build a website straight from 1994 and share all the nutcasery he wants! And so can everyone else who has a fringe theory.
The Internet. Letting stupid people prove it for 20 years or so!
I am now a devout follower of TIME CUBE. All glory to cube metamorphosis and Simple Cube Divinity.
Edit: Oh man this is easily the weirdest crap I've ever read ever.
I'm aware crazy does inhabit several corners of the internet (And four faces of time), but this was a posting made on an article about the quake's ramifications. It was more important to this individual to go out spouting a crazed message than (if they're actually Christian) to do the Christian thing, care for their fellow man, and help.
I really want to finish reading the bat-shit crazy there, but it contains so much grammar-fail, that I'm having a hard time doing it. :P
Gosh... some of the things I read online make me want to head-desk repeatedly... but I don't want to end up as brain dead as those people. lmao
Hmm..... seems legit. Thanks for informing me.
Probably one of the greatest speeches ever given on the silver screen when it comes to over the top crazy religious fervor vs enlightenment and common sense...
fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy and needs feeding (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TObzZWVDHU#noexternalembed)
Never watch Fox news, it's about as bad as that.
: Zen March 17, 2011, 12:18:02 -06:00
Never watch Fox news, it's about as bad as that.
I knew it! That was Glen Beck, wasn't it?!
well its a good thing we aren't human then eh? those ugly hairless apes are insane, every last one of em.
Some people still think the world is only like 5000 years old... face it, some people will always be a bit slow
: Lt ReiStark March 17, 2011, 04:02:24 -06:00
Some people still think the world is only like 5000 years old... face it, some people will always be a bit slow
Yup and scientists have planted all the fossils of the dinosaurs.
No need to get all riled up about someones lame ass opinion.
Some people are just stupid =/
: Van_Fox March 17, 2011, 01:20:07 -06:00
Some people are just stupid =/
When you are old enough to vote, you will understand why this very statement you've made, is cause for concern.
(Edit: Ah, it would appear you are now old enough to vote. In time, the importance of that civic duty will be clear to you.)
C'mon. Timecube is the first great Internet crackpot. It's become a classic in it's insanity.
OR i could just not vote :3
: Van_Fox March 17, 2011, 01:57:26 -06:00
OR i could just not vote :3
THere are so many things WRONG with that idea and statement, that my head just exploded. Arrrgh.
I've never had much faith in humanity in the first place, especially after stumbling upon Fundies say the Darndest things's Top 100 list. (http://fstdt.com/Top100.aspx)
You thought the geocentric guy was bad? Wait until you get to the one who murdered his roommate because he was an atheist.
: Van_Fox March 17, 2011, 01:57:26 -06:00
OR i could just not vote :3
I want to set you on fire right now, Van. Or at least give you a sound slap upside the head for being so utterly dense.
Well, it depends on what you're voting for... Also- if no one voted, the government would be shown to lack legitimacy and fall apart. In Canada its basically a straw vote... not real democracy... an illusion used to maintain the colonial power structure, so for that reason I support mass non-voting in Canada to get us some actual Democracy. Mass non-voting campaigns can achieve more than anarchy in that sense. Though I support mass 'spoiled ballot' campaigns to drive the point home instead. (We had 50,000 registered voters show up and only 10 votes cast? wtf?)
Speaking of bat-shit crazy, I hear Westboro was protesting in VanCity recently. Also, I have to deal with these morons on an OTHERKIN forum... makes me wonder if they're plants... and yes, they claim to be 'Christian' :roll:
: Foxxphyre March 18, 2011, 02:13:20 -06:00
Speaking of bat-shit crazy, I hear Westboro was protesting in VanCity recently. Also, I have to deal with these morons on an OTHERKIN forum... makes me wonder if they're plants... and yes, they claim to be 'Christian' :roll:
wait, what? Westboro
church was in van? what the hell? No. that's just not right. Why can't they stay in their own fucked up corner of the world? How was there not a counter protest against them? How did they get across the border? Why can't fred phelps just die already? I don't consider myself a very hateful or judgemental person, but really, I'm pretty sure his devil-contract ended by now.
Yeah, I hear it from Murphy and we were coming up with funny signs to take to a counter-protest next time I hear of such things... "God Hates Fags... Except for that one time in College" (I'm pretty sure you could sneak into their picket for a photobomb with that one!), "Jesus Was Gay," "Biblethumping kills braincells" "I guess not all humans evolved from apes after all"
I would go in nothing but leather kink and a police hat if i were you, just to mock them.
: Lt ReiStark March 18, 2011, 03:34:18 -06:00
I would go in nothing but leather kink and a police hat if i were you, just to mock them.
Just not my style though... I'm sure others would be happy to... I'd go as a fur though!
: EmoFox March 18, 2011, 02:39:02 -06:00wait, what? Westboro church was in van? what the hell?
They have been refused entry into Canada so many times they'll probably never be allowed into the country.
: Ravenwood March 18, 2011, 03:02:02 -06:00
They have been refused entry into Canada so many times they'll probably never be allowed into the country.
They sneak in... by fedexing their signs and coming on 'vacations.' If you're not on a watch list, the border isn't gonna check you. And don't think there aren't crazies like this in Canada as well...
On a related topic... after reading about and interacting online with more fundamentalists than I care to mention I have noticed this: Most of them can't spell or use grammar very well at all. They will often go on to complain that about their beliefs being persecuted and themselves attacked ad hominem as 'stupid' or 'uninformed' when people use well thought out, well communicated and logical arguments to refute them.
If people want to be taken seriously at all, especially online where text is the primary mode of communication, they should learn to use that medium correctly. Quite frankly, I have trouble taking anyone seriously if they can't prove their reading/writing level is above that of the average Elementary School standard. This is why I think you're stupid and uninformed: You give me lots of evidence.
i understand where you're coming from fox, but some people have trouble with language in general, i, for one, cannot correctly punctuate to save my life.
not capitalizing is just me being lazy though.
: OryxFox March 17, 2011, 10:49:13 -06:00
I've never had much faith in humanity in the first place, especially after stumbling upon Fundies say the Darndest things's Top 100 list. (http://fstdt.com/Top100.aspx)
thank you, thank you so much for directing me to this site, i haven't laughed this hard since... well since yesterday at the improv center, but its still really funny, rather sad, but really funny nonetheless
I can deal with comma splices and such -most people type conversationally- but it just backs up my point- if people have trouble understanding and expressing language, what business do they have trying to 'spread the word of God' or make a claim that their holy book is all true if they can't properly comprehend the use of language?
Reading and writing (and speaking, for that matter) takes practice. More often than not people who are bad at it just don't do enough of it (apologies to the dyslexics out there).
I also agree on the Fundies website. Its like watching a trainwreck... only funny.
and there you have it:
(http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2009/03/churchsign.jpeg)
it seems they have openly admitted it now
Ehh the sign is true though. Reason is faith's greatest enemy. Not religious faith specifically either. It's mind over matter. Even if it scientifically doesn't make sense, that doesn't necessarily mean that it absolutely can not be true. Buuut I'm not going to get into that argument any further, because it's my mom's argument and I only know maybe half of it.
Further more, I would actually like to stay in my delusion that there are no crazy weirdos like that in Canada. As much as reason says its not true, I'll keep my faith that it is. Ignorance is bliss after all, :p
Unfortunately, EmoFox, there are nuts like that in Canada. One of the more prominent ones is Dennis Markuze (Posts under the alias David Mabus). Completely incoherent, rambling nonsense touching on everything from the usual "X world leader is the antichrist" on to more crazed notions like geocentrism, flat-Earther nonsense, gravity being a function of Earth accelerating upwards in space (Somehow this proves his flat-Earth notions. How, I'm not sure), and emission theory (You see because your eyes are actually emitting light. Pew pew! Eye lasers!). Lovely fellow, really. He's made death threats against various science bloggers, showed up at the Skeptic's conference in Montreal (And apparently yanked a fire pull in the hotel), and other silly stunts. Usually though, he sticks to spamming forums with ten to twenty screen long floods of meme images that he thinks support whatever position he's getting across, conspiracy theorist YouTube links, and a sprinkling of two or three dozen links to his own Time Cube grade website. Psychiatric care needs a bit of a funding and legal revisit, methinks.
i seriously feel like i'm being punk'd here, its just hard to understand how someone can be THAT crazy
: EmoFox March 18, 2011, 08:17:53 -06:00
Ehh the sign is true though. Reason is faith's greatest enemy. Not religious faith specifically either. It's mind over matter. Even if it scientifically doesn't make sense, that doesn't necessarily mean that it absolutely can not be true. Buuut I'm not going to get into that argument any further, because it's my mom's argument and I only know maybe half of it.
Further more, I would actually like to stay in my delusion that there are no crazy weirdos like that in Canada. As much as reason says its not true, I'll keep my faith that it is. Ignorance is bliss after all, :p
Sorry to disappoint you... but the bat-shit is in your backyard! In Mission, BC: http://www.valleychristianschool.ca/philosophy.html (http://www.valleychristianschool.ca/philosophy.html)
: Foxxphyre March 18, 2011, 08:44:12 -06:00
Sorry to disappoint you... but the bat-shit is in your backyard! In Mission, BC: http://www.valleychristianschool.ca/philosophy.html (http://www.valleychristianschool.ca/philosophy.html)
I clearly see that Canada needs its own Dover V. Kitzmiller precedent set. I've seen enough on their home page to know that they are at best misguided, and at worst willfully teaching un-vetted, incorrect scientific, sociological and linguistic concepts. The activist side of me is screaming at me to make a case with the board of education over them. When "intelligent design" or "creation science" or whatever else they want to call the "World is 6,000 years old despite all scientific evidence to the contrary" bunkum is taught in place of actual peer reviewed science that *CHANGES WHEN IT IS WRONG*, there is something highly foul going on. Admission of an error is the first step in being factually complete, something so-called faith-based education will never wholly grasp. You want to teach that? Fine. Do it on your own funding. The province does not need to be funding theological initiatives that not all taxpayers proscribe to, or even approving them as a public educational site (The school is supposedly approved by the board! I'd spit nails if I found out they were actually being funded with taxpayer money). This one can't even be categorized the same way as a faith-based agency providing general social or medical aid and assistance heedless of creed; The school's sole purpose is education aimed at furthering one faith, not education or secular knowledge in general.
Makes me rage. Agencies like that one are directly responsible for the bulk of the Dennis Markuzes loose in the world, or the shining example in the original post.
this reminds me of this time where i had an in depth conversation with a christian trying to disprove evolution by saying creatures could not survive (and therefor not evolve into more advanced creatures) without stomachs
and by in depth conversation i mean i refuted all his retarded ideas with hard evidence and common sense
in the end he still thought he was right, even though everyone else reading the conversation thought he was retarded.
in fact, someone claiming to be christian *facepalm*'d at his stupidity
: Selkit March 18, 2011, 09:43:15 -06:00
I clearly see that Canada needs its own Dover V. Kitzmiller precedent set. I've seen enough on their home page to know that they are at best misguided, and at worst willfully teaching un-vetted, incorrect scientific, sociological and linguistic concepts. The activist side of me is screaming at me to make a case with the board of education over them. When "intelligent design" or "creation science" or whatever else they want to call the "World is 6,000 years old despite all scientific evidence to the contrary" bunkum is taught in place of actual peer reviewed science that *CHANGES WHEN IT IS WRONG*, there is something highly foul going on. Admission of an error is the first step in being factually complete, something so-called faith-based education will never wholly grasp. You want to teach that? Fine. Do it on your own funding. The province does not need to be funding theological initiatives that not all taxpayers proscribe to, or even approving them as a public educational site (The school is supposedly approved by the board! I'd spit nails if I found out they were actually being funded with taxpayer money). This one can't even be categorized the same way as a faith-based agency providing general social or medical aid and assistance heedless of creed; The school's sole purpose is education aimed at furthering one faith, not education or secular knowledge in general.
Makes me rage. Agencies like that one are directly responsible for the bulk of the Dennis Markuzes loose in the world, or the shining example in the original post.
Certainly willful. I have a friend who attended that school grades 1-8. The amount of deprogramming that had to go on with her was astounding (but sooo worth the time :D). But yeah, they would be worth investigating. Whats worse? Former Canadian Alliance Party Leader, Deputy PM and now retiring member of Harpers cabinet Stockwell Day? Creationist. I think we'd better just wave goodbye to the madness that is Canada and go with the whole Cascadia plan (yeah, Day is a BCer, but he likes to support fascists... which is somewhat antithetical to many BCers)
Bat-shittery continued: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/18/murray-seidman-pennsylvania-man-stoned-to-death_n_837655.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/18/murray-seidman-pennsylvania-man-stoned-to-death_n_837655.html)
Foxx;
When I read news postings in that vein, I grow increasingly disgusted with the attitude in Canada and the United States regarding mental health. Psychiatric care really ought to be a universal human right, one that's stripped of its current stigma, provided freely and encouraged at the early signs of trouble. I do not see a theist driven to kill, I see a schizophrenic individual who did not get the help he required. Two lives could have been saved by prompt intervention, one literal and one from a grave criminal charge.
Not going to disagree with the fact that mental health patients get screwed- I deal with many folks with mental health issues all the time and its really sad how they get no support whatsoever from society.
On the other hand- where do you draw the line between mental health issues and fundamentalism- religious or otherwise? We could claim that being a religious fundamentalist IS actually a mental health issue... but I think thats a really bad idea, especially considering the power indoctrination has to convince people of what is right. Should the State intervene when its someones sincere belief to take the Bible literally? If thats the case, they should start forcing psyc exams on everyone. Not only would we be infringing on freedom or religion, but we'd be creating a very scary "Clockwork Orange" style nanny state and that is a very slippery slope.
Furthermore, this man wasn't necessarily struck with mental health issues- until he has a psych exam, there's no proof of that and there are other motives for this murder (money- the killer was the sole beneficiary of the victim). There are also a number of prominent public figures, especially in the US, who actively promote this sort of behaviour. Are they suffering from mental health issues that the State should see to? I mean, sociopathic megalomania is a huge one... but good luck locking up most of our politicians and all of FOX news.
This issue goes far beyond the lack of psychiatric care being offered by society. The roots are deep in society itself and it should give us all a cause to look at our fundamental structures and beliefs with great scrutiny. "Something is rotten in the State."
: Selkit March 18, 2011, 08:27:03 -06:00
Unfortunately, EmoFox, there are nuts like that in Canada. One of the more prominent ones is Dennis Markuze (Posts under the alias David Mabus). Completely incoherent, rambling nonsense touching on everything from the usual "X world leader is the antichrist" on to more crazed notions like geocentrism, flat-Earther nonsense, gravity being a function of Earth accelerating upwards in space (Somehow this proves his flat-Earth notions. How, I'm not sure), and emission theory (You see because your eyes are actually emitting light. Pew pew! Eye lasers!). Lovely fellow, really. He's made death threats against various science bloggers, showed up at the Skeptic's conference in Montreal (And apparently yanked a fire pull in the hotel), and other silly stunts. Usually though, he sticks to spamming forums with ten to twenty screen long floods of meme images that he thinks support whatever position he's getting across, conspiracy theorist YouTube links, and a sprinkling of two or three dozen links to his own Time Cube grade website. Psychiatric care needs a bit of a funding and legal revisit, methinks.
: Selkit March 18, 2011, 09:43:15 -06:00
I clearly see that Canada needs its own Dover V. Kitzmiller precedent set. I've seen enough on their home page to know that they are at best misguided, and at worst willfully teaching un-vetted, incorrect scientific, sociological and linguistic concepts. The activist side of me is screaming at me to make a case with the board of education over them. When "intelligent design" or "creation science" or whatever else they want to call the "World is 6,000 years old despite all scientific evidence to the contrary" bunkum is taught in place of actual peer reviewed science that *CHANGES WHEN IT IS WRONG*, there is something highly foul going on. Admission of an error is the first step in being factually complete, something so-called faith-based education will never wholly grasp. You want to teach that? Fine. Do it on your own funding. The province does not need to be funding theological initiatives that not all taxpayers proscribe to, or even approving them as a public educational site (The school is supposedly approved by the board! I'd spit nails if I found out they were actually being funded with taxpayer money). This one can't even be categorized the same way as a faith-based agency providing general social or medical aid and assistance heedless of creed; The school's sole purpose is education aimed at furthering one faith, not education or secular knowledge in general.
Makes me rage. Agencies like that one are directly responsible for the bulk of the Dennis Markuzes loose in the world, or the shining example in the original post.
Selkit; Meet. (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/joels-army-and-call) Joel's. (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2008/fall/arming-for-armageddon) Army: (http://www.open.salon.com/blog/tazlmo/2008/09/12/sarah_palins_church_tied_to_jesus_camp_armageddon_dogma)
That makes my blood run cold... I knew I was training for a reason... :vik:
Unfortunately, I was already aware of them, Oryx. Needless to say, that group has the ACLU and other civil liberties groups highly concerned. However, they may have nipped themselves in the bud on two fronts; They've been almost entirely silent since 2009, their original tattooed man-child of a leader disgraced himself, and I strongly suspect they received a chastisement from the government over terroristic rhetoric. Also? I don't normally like doing this, but the Bible itself makes a very clear case against Joel's Army; I give to you John 18:36, Jesus speaking to Pontius Pilate.
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."
A relatively concise statement from the core of the Christian faith, stating openly that He is of no Earthly kingdom. There are multiple other statements with similar rhetoric sprinkled throughout the New Testament; Scripture itself refutes the core purpose and premise for Joel's Army. Ironically, the justification for Joel's Army is a particular section of the Old Testament relating to a flood of locusts upon Israel; The army expressly stated within that particular section is NOT a conquering army arriving to establish holy dominion, it's a ravaging force with nothing more on its mind than oblivion and horrors. The entire hard Dominionist movement is based upon a highly twisted, comparatively very small section of the Old Testament, completely ignorant of the New Testament upon which the modern Christian sects are founded. Even mainstream Christianity tends to regard Joel's Army as a bat-shit crazy extremist movement. I'm relatively confident in the long run, that it's a fad; Similar movements have been around since the 40s, and they have never lasted more than a decade. They are built upon the fallacy that their "Passover generation" is the last generation before the End Times.
Speaking of which... there's a new round of doomsday proclamations going about, that May 21st is the Judgement Day, and that October 21st is the end of the world/Rapture. Silly Harold Camping again. His last bold proclamation about it was in 1994.
Well, there does seem to be some continuity with these groups, at least peripherally. The more worrying part is that they represent an undercurrent of fundamentalist thinking that floats beneath MAINSTREAM Conservatism (Neo-Con especially). Outed groups like this are just a very obvious symptom of that underlying hawkishness.
Also see: Prussian Blue (Parents are allowed to do that to their kids?!)
*edit* Bently- the guy behind Joels Army- is still doing his thing with Fresh Fire ministries, so I can only assume they're keeping the crazy a little under the radar at the moment.
*Further Edit* Speaking of bat-shit evangelicals, how far do you think this goes in Canada? http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=80f6fdff-cc0e-4a08-9b96-76f3db32808e PMs (http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=80f6fdff-cc0e-4a08-9b96-76f3db32808e PMs) Office, much?