I'm going to start off by saying that I will not let this degenerate into name-calling, accusations and other asshole-ish behaviour.
With that out of the way, I want to begin an honest, reasonably intelligent discussion about the future of furmeets in the Vancouver Furry Community.
It's clear that we've outgrown almost any house that might be available to us, and a consequense of that is that those houses are becoming unwilling to host. It is also becoming a problem that a few people are either going beyond their limits, not following the rules, or just being stupid, further prompting potential hosts to simply stop hosting.
At this point we shouldn't discount any option for future furmeets, and this thread will be meant to discuss any and all possibilities. And for the moment, even some of the stupid ones should be thrown in for consideration. This needs to be an open discussion, and everyone needs to have an opportunity to have a say.
Even allowing for stupid ideas, I won't tolerate acting like an idiot or an asshole.
Lets talk.
(Repost from another thread)
Maybe instead of having monthly house meets, the right direction to go would be scheduling smaller events with a direct purpose (Movie, playland, picnic) and then having a quarterly open meet, at a rented hall or such. $5 admission or some jank. And lets face it, if you don't have $5 to spare you shouldn't be going out at all.
Or maybe we should have cold cock banned a small selection of people that everyone seems to hate, but who seem oblivious to that fact.
I think that those few bad apples are at least partially to blame with hosts being unwilling to step forward. While I haven't been to any of the recent ones - the last one I attended was the february one... before that, August - I can definitely recall some stuff that has happened in the past that would definitely put-off potential hosts...
They're also way too many people attending.
What I do think that this community is doing is splitting up into small cliques and those cliques do stuff by themselves due to the size now - which isn't bad. But it isn't great either.
But I do think that banning a couple of people from the meets might not be such a bad idea, though I'd doubt it'd cause people to come forward to host.
During the summer months, I think it'd be very possible to host meets at parks... and then once it becomes too dark, meets over.
Just some thoughts.
I've considered renting out the common area in my building. It could easily accommodate recent furmeets, but since it would be semi-public, it would require a high level of proper behaviour. I think the cost would be about 75 dollars, so about a dollar per person could be collected.
I know there is a "hall" rentable right next to my place, its free to rent to people who live in my complex but I'm not sure how the owners feel about tons of people showing up and stuff. I think they normally rent it out for birthdays for the kids that live around here.
I'll look into it and if it works out then I'll let you all know.
Also, yeah if it does work out that way, PLEASE don't let it get out of hand because that would ruin it for everyone.
Something that Marzipan and I have briefly discussed is in relation to the fact that the community is beginning to splinter.
It may not be such a bad thing to have a lot of little cliques. If all the smaller groups were to hold their own gatherings on a semi-regular basis, that provides a furmeet-ish thing to do for almost everyone, and allows a certain degree of control of who attends without actively banning anyone. In addition, a quarterly event could be held where everyone is welcome.
There are a number of event halls to be found in the area, and with sufficient investigation we can probably find one or two that suit us perfectly.
I might actually show up to some smaller events. We don't tend to be big-time party people so gigantically-huge furmeets aren't really our speed. I think 50+ people is really pushing the boundaries of what's workable in a private home. Back when I used to host summer hot tub meets I had 20-25 people show up and even that got pretty stressful to coordinate at times.
It sucks that some people can't seem to moderate their behavior and seem to figure a meet is a free pass to act like a yob and not get called on it. Even just a few of those people really ratchets up the stress factor for both the hosts and the other attendees.
Seeing as how I don't live in the area, I haven't seen any of this happening first-hand and also don't know how issues have been addressed in the past, but if there are a number of people with behavioral problems, why not implement a warning system? They get one warning, then they're gone.
It could be up to the host whether this applies to the one event or all future events held at their place. They could also determine what constitutes a major infraction for the event, since different locations have different rules (apart from social etiquette, which applies everywhere). That way, too, people would be more likely to say something right away since the rules would be clearly laid out.
I know a lot of my problem is that after I'm done work on Saturdays(at about 5pm) by the time I get home I really don't look forward to taking transit anymore that week... The Jan/Feb meet over and Sniffum's was great.. but only because it was really close to me, being near UBC :P
I don't think I have any problem with the hosts(as I find I'm rather well-behaved and keep to myself) I just get fed up with taking transit for 1hr+ to try to see furries whose company I may enjoy(if they manage to arrive) and typically because if I stay overnight that I get less than adequate sleep, I tend to leave early-ish to get transit, which is another lenghty travel. So all in all... I'm spending the same amount of time on travel as I do at the actual meet, all for the sake of a good night's sleep.
Not sure if any of the other Furries share my view on taking that much transit, but I know I get sick of it after a while...
With the weather getting warmer progressively as we approach summer, it's a good idea to host furmeets at parks, so I for one am for this idea. The main thing is, however, is that it'd still require a host, and getting space for the park may cost some money, depending on which park they would host it at, and if they choose to take the gazebo/covered area or not. Hallways are another thing, too, which would fall under the category of "it's gonna cost ya" as well. But I haven't thought of any places that have them, as I've never been to one.
For those hot summer days, or any month in general, I say we need more activities, like going ice skating, going to the beach (summer months though), play lazer tag, go to Playland, or heck, just spend the day at Metrotown's CHQ.
Another thing would be to start hosting two or more furmeets simultaneously on those days, or start enforcing limits as to how many people can actually attend to the meets. I'd say about 30 at most should be the limit. As for banning furs from meets due to the drama they seem to keep dragging in these days, I could think of maybe two at the most, but one doesn't attend meets much anymore, so I'd say one that I can easily think of. But I've been putting the "host more meets at the same time" idea on the table lately, of that I know.
The furmeets should slowly be mutated into something different from we are used to , from the traditional furhouses hosting social gatherings. But since we are gaining in strength making it almost impossible for it to be hosted by a house. And consequenses of certain furs which making houses unwilling to host the meets anylonger. We need to start looking at a wide range of possibilities on what should be done.A few furs Ive talked with suggested a wide range of alternate things to put in place of the meet or places to hold large gatherings.
: Silvermink May 17, 2010, 12:38:17 -06:00
I might actually show up to some smaller events. We don't tend to be big-time party people so gigantically-huge furmeets aren't really our speed. I think 50+ people is really pushing the boundaries of what's workable in a private home. Back when I used to host summer hot tub meets I had 20-25 people show up and even that got pretty stressful to coordinate at times.
It sucks that some people can't seem to moderate their behavior and seem to figure a meet is a free pass to act like a yob and not get called on it. Even just a few of those people really ratchets up the stress factor for both the hosts and the other attendees.
This.
I have problems with crowds to start with; even just hearing that there are 50 people stuffed into a house for a furmeet makes me twitch. I'm starting to open up a little bit more, but really prefer to lean towards smaller groups and events right now - at least until I know a few people well enough to associate with them at the larger meets. Add to that the issues I've read about with regards to wet meets, behaviour, and such, and it gets a bit worrisome.
Hosting meets in public areas, or in rented halls, is not a bad idea - unfortunately, it starts to become costly when you start to rent things. (Not to mention that if you're in public, there's yet another level of behaviour that has to be considered.) I'd be curious if any other large furry groups have this problem, and what their solutions have been. Anyone know if the folks in Toronto, or the larger US cities, have this issue or if they have other options they've explored?
: Tony Greyfox May 22, 2010, 03:16:52 -06:00
I have problems with crowds to start with; even just hearing that there are 50 people stuffed into a house for a furmeet makes me twitch. I'm starting to open up a little bit more, but really prefer to lean towards smaller groups and events right now - at least until I know a few people well enough to associate with them at the larger meets.
Me too. I kind of freeze up in large groups of people I don't know. The faces all blend together and I kind of go into shock. Especially since I don't know anyone from the local group too well.
Also, a house isn't the best place for it. There are issues with seating and overcrowding, and also, there may be some who get out of hand a bit. At a more formal venue maybe these people would restrain themselves a bit more. And it may be easier to organize activities and different sections of the meet at a better place. Unless you have a larger house, which is unlikely as most people in Vfur just rent and don't have a mortgage, more than 30 people is pushing it for comfort. The last doghouse was large enough to fit a good number, but most houses don't have the layout to accommodate our numbers comfortably anymore. We have to be practical about this. Basically a rented hall or space is our only good option for something indoors.
One thing is that a few people like using their computers for whatever at the meet, and that's fine. We just have to go somewhere with a good connection/bandwidth. Apart from that, we might just have to possibly organize some rental furniture depending on where it is.
As for outdoors meets, I think it wouldn't be good because it's good to weather proof it and some may not be as comfy without a roof.
: Ember May 15, 2010, 04:03:41 -06:00
(Repost from another thread) Maybe instead of having monthly house meets, the right direction to go would be scheduling smaller events with a direct purpose (Movie, playland, picnic) and then having a quarterly open meet, at a rented hall or such. $5 admission or some jank. And lets face it, if you don't have $5 to spare you shouldn't be going out at all.
Agreed. May be ugly, but it's true. Some of us are tight on money, but still, it's good to come prepared. And let's face it, if you're expected to pay for something, you appreciate it more. It may even encourage better behavior from some. If you're too out of it to cough up a fiver, you might not enjoy it as much anyways, if you have that background stress from being stretched too thin moneywise.
And also it may have the advantage of cutting down numbers.
Also, wouldn't it be worth it if we could put the money towards something nice, like a comfier venue, better food, etc? Between doing this half-assed to try to accommodate EVERYONE; and doing it right and making it better for all who attend, I think the second option is far better.
I vaguley recall our house being called elitist and hated by the community for the small meets. but hay, only took the rest of you a year to catch up to us.
and if you still want house meets, Ide suggest using the registry system on the forums with a limit. first come first serve.
: Lemony May 30, 2010, 04:53:42 -06:00
I vaguley recall our house being called elitist and hated by the community for the small meets. but hay, only took the rest of you a year to catch up to us.
Some people don't understand the concept of an "event" (and I use the term loosely - is dinner an event?) that involves some of the people in the local furry crowd but isn't an official event open to everyone.
@Lemony... Cuz y'know, there just hasn't been enough drama on the board this month, right? :P
hey, I don't get insulted very often, let me have this one.
You jerk, lemony. ;p
But I do agree with you. I'm pretty sure there were more smaller-private meets than most people knew about. You guys were probably just the most notable of the hosts. *shrug* Doesn't matter to me much anyway
.. and does anyone remember why vfur and vaf were separated?
For this exact reason.
Some people just want to hang with specific people. Apparently that makes you elitist. Well, I think that's the definition, but if that's the case, why is it wrong to want to hang with your friends instead of random people who you quite often don't like quite as much?
On that note, I do believe in having large, open events (notice I used the term events) where everyone can congregate and meet new people, discuss new ideas, and be whoever you want, within reason. We're at the point where this type of situation is not possible in private homes any longer due simply to the number of people desiring to do this.
Ladies and gentlemen, you just discovered the very reason I continue to host Howloween, and why I still help with Rainfurrest. Conventions and events are designed for this purpose! They take planning, scheduling, coordinating, and a heck of a lot of money to properly see through.
If we want to continue a monthly practice of holding a 'fur meet' event, then we need to have people assigned to handle that task. We need a reliable location (or locations), and we need people with the authority to dictate how those furmeet events are to take place.
My suggestion would be to setup a vancouver furry events 'board of directors'. I see no reason we can't make this at least as official as any furry convention is. If we really wanted to be sure we're safe to conduct these events without personal liability, we could even make up a corporation, in the same fashion the furry cons do, with a legally responsible board of directors that can be nominated, elected, and reappointed based on a set of rules.
Think about it. No more waiting for someone to 'volunteer'. No more questions on conduct or how to deal with inappropriate attendees. No more risk of liability to personal property at furmeet locations. And best of all, NO MORE QUESTIONS ON WHO HAS AUTHORITY.
Does this all sound way out of proportion? Am I the only one who thinks this way?
: Aphinity June 07, 2010, 08:20:25 -06:00
Dolphin sounds
I very much agree with this whole post.
I agree with Aphinity ^_^
: Sairys June 08, 2010, 03:08:17 -06:00
: Ember June 07, 2010, 11:35:08 -06:00
: Aphinity June 07, 2010, 08:20:25 -06:00
Dolphin sounds
Fox sounds
Wolf sounds
Mostly agree. I think that this runs the risk of being too professional for something meant to be simple and fun. That being said, if it guarantees some consistency of the meets, that'd be great.
I may not talk much but I can agree with Aphinity as well. It sounds like a pretty good structure idea to start off with and would settle a lot of problems as well a make this more organized. It leaves room to add to it later on if need be. Plus it could promote itself to possible encourage more people to want to take part. Having a good structure will surely make it more successful in the future so we don't have as much issues as with where it is right now.
I agree with the phin :)
Certainly worth a try.
Awesome suggestion Aphinity! I totaly agree :3
The only thing is, is to get started, and find people willing to spend the time on getting this stuff together. And that set of rules as well. It needs to be straight forward and to the point because i know some have different views on whats acceptable and whats not. Can't have rules based on Biased opinions right? :3 that would defeat the purpose XD
I know i'm personally out for trying to be an organizer. I hardly have time to organize my own life D:
But i'm willing to help in whatever way i can. (thoughts, ideas, art work if that ever pertains to anything related to these events. XD )
~Temrin
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: Aphinity June 07, 2010, 08:20:25 -06:00My suggestion would be to setup a vancouver furry events 'board of directors'. I see no reason we can't make this at least as official as any furry convention is. If we really wanted to be sure we're safe to conduct these events without personal liability, we could even make up a corporation, in the same fashion the furry cons do, with a legally responsible board of directors that can be nominated, elected, and reappointed based on a set of rules.
Well, just to play devil's advocate here... this sounds like a great idea, but will people volunteer? It sounds like it could be a bit of a thankless job.
: Accophox June 08, 2010, 04:43:48 -06:00
: Sairys June 08, 2010, 03:08:17 -06:00
: Ember June 07, 2010, 11:35:08 -06:00
: Aphinity June 07, 2010, 08:20:25 -06:00
Dolphin sounds
Fox sounds
Wolf sounds
Mostly agree. I think that this runs the risk of being too professional for something meant to be simple and fun. That being said, if it guarantees some consistency of the meets, that'd be great.
I mostly agree as well, but I totally agree with Accofox, sounds like to much organizational structure for just a simple fur meet, but with the ever growing size of our group , it may take that kind of structure to organize furmeets. some one on page 1 of this thread asked a good question, how are bigger cities like Toronto or in the US dealing with this issue. what options do they have? lets take this into consideration before we consider having furcon style furmeets with bylaws and board of directors. we must also strongly concider , that IF we do go through with phins idea, would WE be the only city having to do such a thing just to hold a furmeet? And how would it look to the rest of the fandom IF we had to turn our furmeets into a professional organized operation?
To answer your question, Rascal, other cities such as Balto woof's area in California host huge, house-busting parties at willing people's homes (in that case, Balto Woof's house). In these cases, the hosts are aware of the 80 to 120 people who will come and deal with the circumstances accordingly. In Toronto, there are multiple 'groups' of furs, much like Seattle has the furlife group and the seattle furs group. This separates the large group into smaller ones and makes meets more regional.
I'm not sure how having an organizational structure behind our meets would be reflected as a bad thing in the rest of the community. If anything, it might be seen as a step forward in how furry events are handled.
Is a structure like this over the top for a 'simple' furmeet? Yes, absolutely. Do we host 'simple' furmeets anymore? No.
As they say, go big, or go home. I don't wanna go home yet :)
: Rascal Coyote June 13, 2010, 05:01:48 -06:00
I mostly agree as well, but I totally agree with Accofox, sounds like to much organizational structure for just a simple fur meet, but with the ever growing size of our group , it may take that kind of structure to organize furmeets. some one on page 1 of this thread asked a good question, how are bigger cities like Toronto or in the US dealing with this issue. what options do they have? lets take this into consideration before we consider having furcon style furmeets with bylaws and board of directors. we must also strongly concider , that IF we do go through with phins idea, would WE be the only city having to do such a thing just to hold a furmeet? And how would it look to the rest of the fandom IF we had to turn our furmeets into a professional organized operation?
people resent the " smaller" meets cause they don't get invited lol.
like me :birdy:
meh lol. I'm an aquired taste
Vancouver furry con, do it! :birdy: :birdy: :birdy:
: AMZinthos August 10, 2010, 02:57:15 -06:00
Vancouver furry con, do it! :birdy: :birdy: :birdy:
umm. www.howloween.ca (http://www.howloween.ca) <--- this. :)
Yeah. I remember being some talk about a furry con a while back, I think that any expansion to vancouver cons should be appended to that... why work with something new when there's something that already exists.
: ϝҵzzy gorge >:3 September 03, 2010, 12:51:52 -06:00
Yeah. I remember being some talk about a furry con a while back, I think that any expansion to vancouver cons should be appended to that... why work with something new when there's something that already exists.
a con that a few furs tried to setup basically flopped due to many factors. Vancouver can't handle a furry con at this time and we do have howloween to build. Why start something new when somethings already inplace.
: Sairys September 06, 2010, 11:48:04 -06:00
: ϝҵzzy gorge >:3 September 03, 2010, 12:51:52 -06:00
Yeah. I remember being some talk about a furry con a while back, I think that any expansion to vancouver cons should be appended to that... why work with something new when there's something that already exists.
a con that a few furs tried to setup basically flopped due to many factors. Vancouver can't handle a furry con at this time and we do have howloween to build. Why start something new when somethings already inplace.
To clarify, it was I whom had originally suggested to get another Vancouver fur convention underway; but there were quite a number of problems in getting it started, some of them being the fact that no one wants to neither staff, nor volunteer for such, and I'm well aware that both me and Rino are quite well-hated by most folks of the group. So, because of the lack of interest and the fact we're hated by most of the folks throughout the Lower Mainland, the plans had quite well fallen into a very open abyss, never to be seen, nor heard from, again.
Plus, I lack the experience in organising something as big as that; I need to get some experience in smaller venues first, and see if I can try my hand at volunteering at a convention or two.
"that" in the context of my last post was meant to refer to Howloween. I don't think there's any reason to start trying to make another Vancouver convention, for the time being... maybe just make Howloween larger.
: ϝҵzzy gorge >:3 September 07, 2010, 01:09:46 -06:00
"that" in the context of my last post was meant to refer to Howloween. I don't think there's any reason to start trying to make another Vancouver convention, for the time being... maybe just make Howloween larger.
Agreed =3
: Kaji September 07, 2010, 06:46:34 -06:00
: ϝҵzzy gorge >:3 September 07, 2010, 01:09:46 -06:00
"that" in the context of my last post was meant to refer to Howloween. I don't think there's any reason to start trying to make another Vancouver convention, for the time being... maybe just make Howloween larger.
Agreed =3
agree and one way is to offer to help out or supply materials.
: Sairys September 08, 2010, 05:05:39 -06:00
: Kaji September 07, 2010, 06:46:34 -06:00
: ϝҵzzy gorge >:3 September 07, 2010, 01:09:46 -06:00
"that" in the context of my last post was meant to refer to Howloween. I don't think there's any reason to start trying to make another Vancouver convention, for the time being... maybe just make Howloween larger.
Agreed =3
agree and one way is to offer to help out or supply materials.
I think it's quite certain that this is what Aphinity
wants to avoid doing...
: Mikau Seafox September 06, 2010, 06:33:11 -06:00
..... and I'm well aware that both me and Rino are quite well-hated by most folks of the group.....
I don't think hate is the right word here. I think the right word would be: Untrusted.
Hate is a strong word that is very commonly misused, or mistaken for dislike. Rino and I are still friends, but I do not trust him in a position of power for the very same reasons why he was banned from this forum.
Mikau, I do not know you, so I have no basis to judge you.
: Felix McKline September 13, 2010, 10:22:38 -06:00
: Mikau Seafox September 06, 2010, 06:33:11 -06:00
..... and I'm well aware that both me and Rino are quite well-hated by most folks of the group.....
I don't think hate is the right word here. I think the right word would be: Untrusted.
Hate is a strong word that is very commonly misused, or mistaken for dislike. Rino and I are still friends, but I do not trust him in a position of power for the very same reasons why he was banned from this forum.
Mikau, I do not know you, so I have no basis to judge you.
hounestly i dont trust anyone... >_>
: Buddy September 13, 2010, 11:07:25 -06:00
hounestly i dont trust anyone... >_>
not even me?? *ear flats* :(
I kinda get this feeling, that our monthly furmeets have come to an end, it's it's place seems to be a bunch of smaller friends only parties, and games and D&D nights.
: Rascal Coyote September 14, 2010, 09:49:34 -06:00
I kinda get this feeling, that our monthly furmeets have come to an end, it's it's place seems to be a bunch of smaller friends only parties, and games and D&D nights.
Us newcomers are getting screwed by this *cries*
: AMZinthos September 14, 2010, 10:40:48 -06:00
: Rascal Coyote September 14, 2010, 09:49:34 -06:00
I kinda get this feeling, that our monthly furmeets have come to an end, it's it's place seems to be a bunch of smaller friends only parties, and games and D&D nights.
Us newcomers are getting screwed by this *cries*
No kidding. I've only been to Sniffum's meet. Though, that was an awesome one!
: Sikkab September 14, 2010, 10:48:35 -06:00
: AMZinthos September 14, 2010, 10:40:48 -06:00
: Rascal Coyote September 14, 2010, 09:49:34 -06:00
I kinda get this feeling, that our monthly furmeets have come to an end, it's it's place seems to be a bunch of smaller friends only parties, and games and D&D nights.
Us newcomers are getting screwed by this *cries*
No kidding. I've only been to Sniffum's meet. Though, that was an awesome one!
I been to 2 events now and met some people individually but still I have a hard time socializing however there's not many events with that purpose now so I kinda end up going home without much interaction with people D: I do have a few people I get along with and feel a bit comfortable around but still its hard for us to hang out due to distance + busy with stuff :(
It's because the Vancouver base is far too large for any one place to support people at a residence. Plus the overhead as far as work goes (it's been debunked by Aphinity that costs for a meet end up being minimal, as long as host doesn't provide drinks/snacks) is very intensive for the host. Setting up, and worse, the cleaning up.
I'm a fan of smaller meets anyway. But I'm not organizing anything for a while. No desire. Maybe I'll host another meatcon down the road. But I doubt it. Very little motivation after this summer.
For me (and some of this stuff might apply to others...), I just got incredibly jaded after some stuff went down - don't ask what. Community makeup has changed since I joined too. And a lot of my friends have "moved on" to other things... greener pastures, or not being involved with it to begin. Formed sorta close-knit groups that keep to themselves. So, yeah, between events over the summer, friends moving on, and having head back to Edmonton, I've decided to keep my paws outta vfur events... and to a degree, the vancouver fandom in general.
I mean, if stuff had gone a different way in the summer, maybe I'd at least consider trying to organize Phin's idea. I certainly had the time. Cause I do think that it is important for events like that to exist. But it'll not happen under my watch.
Anyway, I'll stop my droning on about this, it's 3 AM here, and I've got a 400-level mind-screw course at 10.
Part of the problem is, vfur includes.... furries from the neighbouring cities, towns, provinces, even states.
Marzi had a good idea mentioning that at his residence, it's not a "destination" meet, where people can travel to from other areas. Though I've met some awesome furs from belview at the doghouse meet that I was at.
I think if we're going to get this back, we might have to arrange it like a semi-con. A group of furs would have to rent out some space, or a few spaces inside the same building, or just buy a large building for the purpose of simply public furry events. Like an empty warehouse or something, where the amount of noise you make won't matter.
I'm a few years away from being able to do this myself, by myself, but I think I can speak for numerous others when I say I miss the meets, even though I've only been to two.
So what we would need is a decent sized rented area, food ... and what else? I am a complete n00b when it comes to this, I have no idea what all usually goes on at furmeets and what would be required to host one. I am trying to understand exactly what the scope of a furmeet is, and what would be required to host it.
One of the other communities I'm involved with has bi-monthly meetings at a specific restaurant, similar to the dinner meets, but at a scale of 20 - 30 people. It seems to work well for them (once again I haven't been ... ) from what I've read on their forums and such.
50-60 people, minimum capacity. Food not necessary. Pretty much an area to gather.
I have something big in the planning, that will jump us ahead of any other furry community and it's going to be incredibly awesome. It's already in the planning stages, but I have to wait till after RF to start, I have too much on my plate with that con as it is, lol.
Not to worry all, it'll be well worth the wait for what I have in store, and it'll happen on a monthly basis. I first tested the idea on Vancouver Island and had enormous success with it.
Keep your tails on till then :P
Cheers
~Tor~
what happend to the monthly meets?
Fort Minor - Where'd You Go (Official Music Video) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzAsBFj4fR8#ws)
What do you call Howl?
Chopped liver?! ???
I guess now that that topic was merged into this one, my link to the topic I'm already in is unnecessary.
:roll:
: Renwaldo November 05, 2010, 08:14:48 -06:00
What do you call Howl?
Chopped liver?! ???
howl is a con. hes talking about our monthly furmeets where we drink eat and be merry, generalize be social.
Oh I see. :o
i know the ukranian dance hall i went to will rent out the hall, its the size of a school gym and has a stage. only drawback is its in the heart of whalley right by gateway station, but neighborhood aside its right by a sky train station as well.
: Mayhem November 24, 2010, 04:39:28 -07:00
i know the ukranian dance hall i went to will rent out the hall, its the size of a school gym and has a stage. only drawback is its in the heart of whalley right by gateway station, but neighborhood aside its right by a sky train station as well.
I know that place! Cinemazoo used to be in the old bank by the highway, I did volunteer work there a couple years back. :o
I live downtown... Now I don't want to sound snobby but if I arranged a fur-movie night in my building (yes, they have a big Blu-Ray projection screen and 30 theatre seats - with cup holders!) I would REQUIRE a divided "accident deposit" because I am liable for any accidents that happen in the theatre that I rent out. I'd be paying $150 for that, so a 30 person invite would involve a $5 RETURNABLE deposit. Thats means at the end if there are no spills or anything damaged, everyone would get there $5 back. This of course would change if everyone agreed to use the $5 deposit for some sort of prize for some games that went on before/after the movie. I believe my building has a party room as well. They also have a huge (half a block in length) 2nd level foyer for sitting down and chatting in 2 different locations. It is a good place for small events but I assure you, I could not possibly trust every single person to act responsibly or without insidence - hence my reason for a required returnable damage deposit.
We all are in different stages in our lives - and differ in age. This is a simple fact. These different stages in our lives all affect how we behave and interact with others. I have a 45 year old brother that I wouldn't trust with anything, and yet I have a 19 year old nephew that I'd let him borrow my $1000 ipad. These are just 2 examples showing you that its not age that defines maturity, its our personal standards that we uphold. This subject is especially important regarding hosts arranging a meet.
: BabyCheetah November 29, 2010, 10:21:26 -07:00
I live downtown... Now I don't want to sound snobby but if I arranged a fur-movie night in my building (yes, they have a big Blu-Ray projection screen and 30 theatre seats - with cup holders!) I would REQUIRE a divided "accident deposit" because I am liable for any accidents that happen in the theatre that I rent out. I'd be paying $150 for that, so a 30 person invite would involve a $5 RETURNABLE deposit. Thats means at the end if there are no spills or anything damaged, everyone would get there $5 back. This of course would change if everyone agreed to use the $5 deposit for some sort of prize for some games that went on before/after the movie. I believe my building has a party room as well. They also have a huge (half a block in length) 2nd level foyer for sitting down and chatting in 2 different locations. It is a good place for small events but I assure you, I could not possibly trust every single person to act responsibly or without insidence - hence my reason for a required returnable damage deposit.
We all are in different stages in our lives - and differ in age. This is a simple fact. These different stages in our lives all affect how we behave and interact with others. I have a 45 year old brother that I wouldn't trust with anything, and yet I have a 19 year old nephew that I'd let him borrow my $1000 ipad. These are just 2 examples showing you that its not age that defines maturity, its our personal standards that we uphold. This subject is especially important regarding hosts arranging a meet.
im in for helping with this plan and good idea, when im back before new years we can start planning, im not gonna be cheap about this because this community needs a good boost of social gatherings. i will message you.
at least this is progress, i dont want to sound rude tho.
: Carthage May 15, 2010, 02:49:51 -06:00
I'm going to start off by saying that I will not let this degenerate into name-calling, accusations and other asshole-ish behaviour.
With that out of the way, I want to begin an honest, reasonably intelligent discussion about the future of furmeets in the Vancouver Furry Community.
It's clear that we've outgrown almost any house that might be available to us, and a consequense of that is that those houses are becoming unwilling to host. It is also becoming a problem that a few people are either going beyond their limits, not following the rules, or just being stupid, further prompting potential hosts to simply stop hosting.
At this point we shouldn't discount any option for future furmeets, and this thread will be meant to discuss any and all possibilities. And for the moment, even some of the stupid ones should be thrown in for consideration. This needs to be an open discussion, and everyone needs to have an opportunity to have a say.
Even allowing for stupid ideas, I won't tolerate acting like an idiot or an asshole.
Lets talk.
First of all, I am NEW ... love the community so far (from my limited perspective). I have an apartment that I would love to host in. Having said that, and being new, I am unsure of the issues people are talking about. If we are talking about drunks ... I can handle that. Being in an apartment, loudness would be an issue. If a get together is having some people over for a few glasses of wine / beer or whatever, I have no problem with that ... but living in an apartment environment, there are limits.
I know that I am new ... and really don't know the 'community' yet. I am a bit confused about this talk of 'banning' certain members to social events. Is their behavior that unacceptable that you would want to openly discuss excluding hand picked members of the community - precluding them from being a part of such a great group of furs? Remember, these forums are open for ALL to read. New members included. You don't wanna come across as a group that has become a 'clique'. I have 'some' experience with groups similar in structure to this one so I am not so jaded. I can handle the idiosyncrasies of groups. Just would hate to see any newbie 'turned off' because of the issues of the day/week/month ...
Just my two cents ...
whoever wants to host the event, we will all take turns, i will contribute gamers delight for any of the events since i run a lan division.
I'm a new furry and member living in Burnaby. Now I can't host because I live in a small basement suite with an oblivious roommate (imagine his face seeing a fursuit in the place LOL). However I'm willing to help plan/set up an event. If anyone wants to meet so we can start laying some concrete plans I'm up for it. Let's get something going :)
: LanceDurand December 13, 2010, 08:39:03 -07:00
I'm a new furry and member living in Burnaby. Now I can't host because I live in a small basement suite with an oblivious roommate (imagine his face seeing a fursuit in the place LOL). However I'm willing to help plan/set up an event. If anyone wants to meet so we can start laying some concrete plans I'm up for it. Let's get something going :)
*grins* Can I be that first fursuit??
: Sairys December 13, 2010, 01:15:52 -07:00
: LanceDurand December 13, 2010, 08:39:03 -07:00
I'm a new furry and member living in Burnaby. Now I can't host because I live in a small basement suite with an oblivious roommate (imagine his face seeing a fursuit in the place LOL). However I'm willing to help plan/set up an event. If anyone wants to meet so we can start laying some concrete plans I'm up for it. Let's get something going :)
*grins* Can I be that first fursuit??
If I planned a 'Meet',
1) it would be at my apartment in Surrey.
2) not sure how many people usually come to these things, but I would probably have to limit the number of people
3) you ALL would have to go gentle on me since I don't know most of you but really wanna meet you all!
4) there would need to be a time limit as there is a quiet time in the building (we can stay late, but there needs to be a certain amount of quiet goin on)
5) is it unheard of to bring your fur suits and change into them here? I would love to see a lot of you in your fur!!!
6) what does everyone think of Saturday, December 18th - 7 pm until ... ??? BYOB
7) what about a secret Santa thing? Limit it to a $2 gift? or $5? Fur related? I think it would be fun! What do you all think?
is the 18th too soon? Everyone busy with their Christmas plans? I dunno ... what do people think?
That sounds good to me. Hehe and I'm shy so no worries about being gentle ;)
I think there are some other tentative furry plans on the 18th but I'm not sure how solid those are
I'm game for the meet though!
: LanceDurand December 13, 2010, 01:31:15 -07:00
That sounds good to me. Hehe and I'm shy so no worries about being gentle ;)
I think there are some other tentative furry plans on the 18th but I'm not sure how solid those are
I'm game for the meet though!
Any suggestions on my ideas?
: BabyCheetah November 29, 2010, 10:21:26 -07:00
I live downtown... Now I don't want to sound snobby but if I arranged a fur-movie night in my building (yes, they have a big Blu-Ray projection screen and 30 theatre seats - with cup holders!) I would REQUIRE a divided "accident deposit" because I am liable for any accidents that happen in the theatre that I rent out. I'd be paying $150 for that, so a 30 person invite would involve a $5 RETURNABLE deposit. Thats means at the end if there are no spills or anything damaged, everyone would get there $5 back.
I think that's eminently reasonable and would do the same in your situation.
: Silvermink December 13, 2010, 02:13:59 -07:00
: BabyCheetah November 29, 2010, 10:21:26 -07:00
I live downtown... Now I don't want to sound snobby but if I arranged a fur-movie night in my building (yes, they have a big Blu-Ray projection screen and 30 theatre seats - with cup holders!) I would REQUIRE a divided "accident deposit" because I am liable for any accidents that happen in the theatre that I rent out. I'd be paying $150 for that, so a 30 person invite would involve a $5 RETURNABLE deposit. Thats means at the end if there are no spills or anything damaged, everyone would get there $5 back.
I think that's eminently reasonable and would do the same in your situation.
I would be totally down for that!!! Sounds VERY reasonable!
Both ideas sounds good to me. And if I'm needed for anything just let me know :)
people should be planning for after december now into January and Feb.
i can do those if they are during those months and later
: Gizmo December 08, 2010, 05:31:18 -07:00
I know that I am new ... and really don't know the 'community' yet. I am a bit confused about this talk of 'banning' certain members to social events. Is their behavior that unacceptable that you would want to openly discuss excluding hand picked members of the community - precluding them from being a part of such a great group of furs?
Unfortunately, there are some rare cases.
Also I wish you the best of luck with hosting your first furmeet if you still plan to go through with it. You'll become a hero to us all if it works out, hehe.
Due to length and partial off topical nature I have moved this post to it's own topic: http://www.bcfurries.com/forum/index.php?topic=2872.0 (http://www.bcfurries.com/forum/index.php?topic=2872.0)
Please give it a read, thanks :)